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There are some more obstacles as higher prices and the salary floor if you are in a smaller nation that may set you back some

Thats a huge understatement. Saving up for a starter caliber player (DIV I-III) below 31, takes like one or two full seasons now. Back in the day you had the money in under a month. A new player still has to build the arena, that takes two full seasons too.

So we are talking about buying a decent player after 1 or 2 years playing the game. Of course you could train your supercool franchise guy and sell him. Takes 1 or 2 years too. For experienced users.

I think it is way too hard for newbies, and the more complicated it gets, the more will instaquit.

Maybe you or an EGM/BB can give us an insight on how many new registrations survive the:

a) first week
b) first month
c) first 2 months
d) first 6 months
c) first year

My wild guess would be like 5%, 3%, 1%, 0,5%, 0,1%.

About 15 seasons ago I made the playoffs in my first season in a league which had 13 human managers and 3 of those had 20k arenas. 2 of the guys back in D3 made it to D1 as well. I bought players (old ones) with about half the money I received and then I built and built, I replaced the old guys with younger ones and still made the playoffs every season until I promoted and started the same process with better players.

Today I would not be able to do this, today I would just build for 2 or 3 seasons as it is a pointless exercise to build a somewhat competitive roster with $150k-$200k.

I have also seen utopia from the start and daytraders wiped the floor with everyone else in that first and second season. That proved once and for all that trading was the superior way of managing a team in BB, because it was able to generate the extra cash who would put you ahead of others or would allow you to afford a more expensive roster. You can't do this anymore.

I think the situation now is fundamentally different and it's largely not reliant on individual skills, abilities and effort. Complete newbies or returning expert managers, it makes no difference. The thing you need is patience: waiting, waiting and more waiting.

I guess you just see the glass half full and I see it half empty.

Last edited by Lemonshine at 12/13/2016 11:06:04 AM

When i started in S19 i had a bad team in a full D IV league that was not at all competitive but it did have one big advantage:
My weekly income was higher than that of the top teams in my league (due to them having to spend much to be competitive)
Now the situation changed somewhat. I guess if you start in German D III now (which is comparable to D IV then due to user shrinkage) you might end up in a league full of managers that are better than you AND earn more due to fully build arenas and because the average team salary droppt so much in all leagues.

So if better teams earn more than you do and players cost a much higher multiple of your weekly income than in S 19 the time you need to catch up is much longer, probaly longer than most new users will have the stamina to go.