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My point of view: "Dominating in years" does not sound like a pillar to me. Not because it's Elmacca, I think it applies to everyone.

As I see it, being an NT requires 2 main aspects. For the first one, it's enough to check the matches of this season and test the match reading abilities and decision making in the lineup (in my subjective point of view, tide and myself have been leading here overall, not because I'm going for the NT, just how we've been performing with what we have).
And secondly, speaking abilities and diplomacy, not only with the community, but mainly other NTs.

My two cents!

Hey Sabre,

Why is diplomacy with other countries so important? I totally understand with your own managers as you need to have players trained in way you want and with good game shape, but why other countries?


JB

Interesting point, how did it affect everyone that Gully was in EBBL this year? What are the pros and cons of having a NT manager from EBBL?

I didn't do anything differently this season from last.

I'll leave the pros to others. The cons are obvious. Possibility of favouring your own players, and not picking rivals' players to harm their merchandising. The knowledge of players' skills, possibly of EBBL teams with multiple NT players, such as muse.

I should point out that I'm not saying Elmacca isn't trustworthy. Just that he has pointed out in the past he's not in favour of it.

Hey Sabre,

Why is diplomacy with other countries so important? I totally understand with your own managers as you need to have players trained in way you want and with good game shape, but why other countries?


JB

I don't believe its the NT managers job to have players trained to their specifications. NT managers don't own NT players. Also, not all NT players are on English teams. Many are at the moment, but it hasn't always been so, and it won't always be so.

Why other countries? Why not? What's the point of being belligerent? I've tended towards pleasantness when dealing with everyone I've met from other NTs. It can help to talk to them anyway. Though I would also say where I've felt wronged, I've said so.

Not everything that happens to the NT is visible on the forum.

Hey Sabre,

Why is diplomacy with other countries so important? I totally understand with your own managers as you need to have players trained in way you want and with good game shape, but why other countries?


JB

It is my understanding NT coaches have a private forum, through which you sell your image to the others. Also I believe there must be these usual pre-match talk with the opponent, praising before the match in a natural, truthful and intelligent way after analysing the opponents' choices, or talking about the coming calendar with third temas.
I listed this aspect as important, but not saying Elmacca is lacking this, only I imagine what the difference is between very good NT performances to top class and details nobody see, only imagine.

And agree with Gully, it would in fact be useful to know what the work with 24-28 yo is going to be, ie coming English guys in future seasons.

Ok.

Makes sense :)

I do feel that we are talking about different things, I would want the NT boss to have a plan to COMPETE.

I therefore think The community is more important and would need to provide the foundation for that by doing the following;

1. The NT manager would need a plan of how to use guys who's salaries made sense for club managers ie balanced skills outside D and shot blocking on bigs driving and inside shot on all players etc If the plan makes sense for club managers and NT then most managers would train to that plan? If the NT manager understood the game engine well enough to educate.

2. Having a network of newer managers who are mentored to build there stadium and club and while building up their finance house high salary NT guys to get of salary floor and ensure game shape. SO we can keep the 200000 mono skilled monsters...

3. I can see just from looking at Simpson and Palit when they where on the list that they both have major issues for NT level that could have been fixed with small sacrifice from primaries and saved salary in process leaving more effective player with a lower salary. You all argued about Muldowny value but he was worth so much because of effectiveness, shooting 50% from field on a 20000 salary. Not saying he is a NT player but we can produce guys on 100000 who are salary efficient and dominate higher salary inefficient builds. How can we have a NT PG who can't make a layup and doesn't contest jump shots? OR starting centre who cant contain a drive or rotate and block shots?

I haven't seen the build of a lot of other talent but it strikes me that it would take a group of minimum 10 managers working together over 2-3 years real time to pull of a successful NT project off.

Visit the LT side for example of people involved or US.

JB

Not sure who you were replying to there but you raise a lot of points.

I don't really like the idea of the NT manager telling people how to train. Though I wouldn't really object if the next manager wants to do that. It might be a better idea for those managers who feel they know how to train to make more of an effort to teach those who don't, if they really care about the NT.

Not really sure what you mean about newer managers housing NT guys. That's not a good idea in D3 and possibly not the best idea in D2 either. Mentoring new managers is a good idea in itself though, and would help the community in general by encouraging people to stick around.

Your third point is a big one. I don't feel I can criticise players on the NT, as in a sense I'm criticising people who have gone out of their way to produce those players for us. However, I will say, as I often have, that rounded players are better than those one dimensional players you don't like. As for SB, you're surely aware that for a long time everyone (or at least 99% of people) saw SB training as a waste. That leads to players like Simpson not having as much as I'd like. I won't comment on any other members of the squad. My opinion on SB is well known to some, as it has been for a number of seasons/years.

I haven't seen the build of a lot of other talent but it strikes me that it would take a group of minimum 10 managers working together over 2-3 years real time to pull of a successful NT project off

Those people would have to sacrifice their own teams in order to train for the NT. I'd never initiate something like that. I would like to see more interest in the NT but I think I'm in the minority.

How much do they need to sacrifice? What causes this need? How could we get round the problem?

I've always agreed with Elmacca historically that having an EBBL manager as NT manager is undesirable as it introduces an element of advantage into the domestic league. Gully is an exception given that he promoted while being NT manager. Something which can hardly have influenced the vote at the last election. I've specifically ducked out of the U21 NT managing scene and do not plan to run for NT until I am not in a position to use information to my advantage. When I get to that point (I will be looking to train SF's next) I'll duck out of the EBBL and be in a place to put my name forward.

Simpson is a very fine C and one of the best we have. Simply put, he may have had holes but honestly, he was one of the best we had. I agree with you fury that to tackle this, we would need a 2-3 year investment from a core of 15 odd managers working on players for the NT in the same way as other nations have. However that means putting country ahead of team and many managers are not prepared to do this. I have already gone on record to say that I am willing and already have done so training the two players I have.

How much do they need to sacrifice? What causes this need? How could we get round the problem?

I was thinking of the time really. It would be far better for more people to produce a single player rather than have fewer players producing multiple players, but the fact is, as Vecx says, its hard to get people to put the NT ahead of their own team. And I should point out here, I've not done that.