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117988.19 in reply to 117988.17
Date: 11/12/2009 3:33:44 PM
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of course. i am not saying it is absolute truth, there are too many factors on shooting percentage after all.

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117988.20 in reply to 117988.16
Date: 11/12/2009 4:35:06 PM
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inside shooting is fairly ineffective if jump shot is low.


Is this really true? This is an honest question and not a challenge. I've understood that the two are separate. JS means mid-range to long range jumpshots. IS means low post to to inside the paint shots (that includes jump shot inside the paint).

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Date: 11/12/2009 4:43:20 PM
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i have seen many centers with very high inside scoring and low jump shot, those guys do not shoot it much and well as they should. there might be tactic factor here though. some other opinions might help.

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Date: 11/12/2009 5:13:45 PM
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I wonder if it applies more for PF then it's for Center.

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117988.23 in reply to 117988.21
Date: 11/12/2009 5:25:22 PM
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I can tell you that I have 3 big men with more than 8 in JS and they are not that better
in the paint but they score well from mid-range,but now that I'm in a higher league as they're IS is almost in every game equal or lower comparing with tehy're oponents I'm facing some troubles in my offensive side and even when playing outside focused offense they don't shoot that much more from mid-range

so my point is that JS is not that important so I'd rather train some driving if the player has none of it,doesn't mean that JS is useless it's good to have for all positions

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Date: 11/13/2009 8:22:23 AM
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inside shooting is fairly ineffective if jump shot is low.


Is this really true? This is an honest question and not a challenge. I've understood that the two are separate. JS means mid-range to long range jumpshots. IS means low post to to inside the paint shots (that includes jump shot inside the paint).


In a strict sense, I think you are correct.

On the other hand... The engine is always trying to find a higher quality shot. If you can take better shots from different areas of the court, it is only going to make your player's inside shooting better.

For example, play really close attention to some recent look inside games. You will notice, on balance, that a fairly high proportion of the shots are short range jump shots. So of course, if you improve your C's jump shooting, you will also improve his inside shooting.

Then again, the same could be said of a PG for inside shot. But most people will tell you that inside shooting on a PG is not necessary. ;-) Much also depends on the skill level of the other 4 players on the court.

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117988.25 in reply to 117988.24
Date: 11/13/2009 8:32:19 AM
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"Jump Shot: A better shooter will make more shots at all distances."


i can interpret this as it affects shooting frequency. it does not only say they will shoot accurately, it say more. maybe they do not mean it like that but from the games i feel it really effects inside shooting by increasing the number of shots taken as well as the accuracy.

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117988.26 in reply to 117988.25
Date: 11/13/2009 8:41:02 AM
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"Jump Shot: A better shooter will make more shots at all distances."



I know people try to argue that jump shooting is required for inside shots but my belief is that it isn't. I'm more of the belief that there are different types of shots in BB that use different combinations of skills. For example, it was already mentioned by a BB at one point that the primary skill used in a driving shot is driving.

This is how I interpret the quote above: it is only referencing jump shots and outside shots in general. It is also meant to show the difference between the JS skill and the JR skill. So higher jump shooting will increase the chance that you can hit short jump shots. However, if you want to hit the long shots you will still need a certain amount of jump range to go with it.


Last edited by HeadPaperPusher at 11/13/2009 8:41:14 AM

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117988.27 in reply to 117988.26
Date: 11/14/2009 7:54:12 PM
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No way jump shot is needed. I've has my pitiful trainee go for 21 off his strong inside shot.

It's very simple. If you're player has good driving he will be able to take it in, and depending on his inside shot, finish.
If he doesn't, he will settle for jump shots or need to be set up by a teammate.

I know this for sure, I had a PF with strong jump shot and pitiful driving that would shoot about 45%. Most of his shots were from the top of the key because he couldn't drive. And sometimes he'd even get called for offensive fouls.

My current PF dunks the ball frequently, because he's a SF with high driving being trained as a PF. And he is an even better shooter than inside scorer.

Same with my SG.

Jump shot helps to make your player obviously more complete, but is not needed if you for example, have a Shaq like player who is simply unstoppable in the lane.

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117988.28 in reply to 117988.27
Date: 11/19/2009 4:07:20 AM
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Exactly I completely agree amarestars a player who cannot drice will not attempt inside shots unless they are set up there or grap an offensive Board. Shaq is a good example but the best is Ben Wallace he never scored unless he was set up inside and he cannot shoot if his live depended on it.

Also their are guards with great jumpshot ability who don't score on the inside.
eg) Vernon Lenard

Last edited by stevey222 at 11/19/2009 4:07:45 AM

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117988.29 in reply to 117988.13
Date: 11/19/2009 11:26:05 AM
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In my experience driving helps your shooting percentage. The reason why a player with high driving takes more shots is because he is open more often.


yes that is how i understand the rule too. SO when the player has high driving and bad shooting skills, he will miss more and his shooting % will drop...

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