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142475.19 in reply to 142475.17
Date: 5/7/2010 11:21:57 AM
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2-3 isn't useless.


I did not say it was useless. I said that in the majority of situations, a man or 3-2 zone will do better. I then went on to outline some possible (rare) situations when a 2-3 might be useful.

It seems to me that in this game if Tukums plays a man that he beats you. You both made poor tactical decisions. But I guess that's why you play PL games, to try weird things?

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142475.20 in reply to 142475.19
Date: 5/7/2010 11:33:07 AM
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The top teams in the world have fantastic Outside Offence because of One on One training.

Outside Defence is much slower so generally the level is pretty low, so teams are weaker defending outside which is exactly why in the early seasons when some of us were deciding on what to train we thought Outside offence was the way to go.
Now it is the opposite and in a few seasons the situation might be reversed.


However this is concentrating a lot on Outside play, when in fact their are teams that completely rely on big men to get their points. If you are like me and have powerhouses for guards then when you face a team with huge Cs and PFs then you need the boost on Inside Def. that you get with 2-3

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142475.21 in reply to 142475.20
Date: 5/7/2010 11:40:46 AM
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The top teams in the world have fantastic Outside Offence because of One on One training.


I seriously doubt that.

Anyhow, had to dig deep to find a game where you played 2-3 zone. You definitely could have done better with man. Sure your inside d was great, but Inept outside d? I'm sure your opponent was drooling all over the place: (20587390) (notice the match-up ratings for his team - almost 100+ across the board).

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142475.22 in reply to 142475.21
Date: 5/7/2010 11:53:07 AM
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Check out my cup game against SJOD for a game that I believe I would have lost if I didn't play a 2-3 zone.

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142475.23 in reply to 142475.21
Date: 5/7/2010 12:03:42 PM
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Well I know I have "Jump Shot: legendary" on a couple of my players because of One on One

Like I said you can't just pull out any game to prove a point.
That game I didn't even play my good guards, I probably was too concerned with the B3 game

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142475.24 in reply to 142475.22
Date: 5/7/2010 12:12:16 PM
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I assume you are talking about this game: (22456384). Personally I do not think the 2-3 zone won that game for you, it had more to do with this: Viral Infections looked like the only team trying out there.

Now, I can't completely disagree that the 2-3 zone was a bad choice, though. You started a SF with inept outside d. I certainly would not go 3-2 with that kind of player and would be extremely hesitant to play him in a man d, too.

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Date: 5/7/2010 12:17:11 PM
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Well I know I have "Jump Shot: legendary" on a couple of my players because of One on One


That's all well and good but you could have gotten there faster training jump shot. And unless you only play an inside offense, you need some range for a good outside shooter, too.

I see how one on one can be a useful training regiment for a two position trainer. However, it alone does not make for a fantastic offensive player.


Like I said you can't just pull out any game to prove a point.


Sure, random things can happen in any game. On the other hand, match-up ratings do not lie.

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142475.26 in reply to 142475.24
Date: 5/7/2010 12:21:41 PM
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Yes that is the game I meant. I realise that me playing CT vs him playing TIE was a big part of why I won, all I am saying is that I think that if I didn't play a 2-3 zone I would have lost. My reason for this is because I had scouted my opponent and realised he was going to probably play Push the Ball, and with Push the Ball he had good inside offence and not very good outside offence. So I played a 2-3 zone which boosted my inside defence which gave it a rating higher than his inside offence, and although this meant I sacrificed some outside defence, his outside offence was only inept (high) so it didn't really hurt me considering my outside defence was inept (medium).

On the contrary, had I played man to man, I would have had better outside defence, which would have destroyed his outside attack, however my inside defence would have been severely lacking and he would have destroyed me on the inside.

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Date: 5/7/2010 12:30:43 PM
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On the contrary, had I played man to man, I would have had better outside defence, which would have destroyed his outside attack, however my inside defence would have been severely lacking and he would have destroyed me on the inside.


I personally think the result is similar whether you play 2-3 or man. Disagree if you want... The only reason you might have an advantage in the 2-3 zone here is because of your extra rebounding and the fact that your SF was a crap perimeter defender.

What you are not understanding with the 2-3 zone is that you allow your opponent to move the ball around much easier. So not only do you give them easier perimeter shots but you also allow higher quality shots all over the court. They can find their best match-ups faster. They get off more quality passes which gives them better shots on the outside and the inside. And even against an inside offense, you leave your opponent open for short jump shots.

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142475.28 in reply to 142475.27
Date: 5/7/2010 12:33:57 PM
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Fair enough :) I do prefer a 3-2 zone over a 2-3 zone, however, I think 2-3 zones are slightly underrated, as a strong rebounding advantage can make the difference, especially if your 2 guards have exceptional outside defence and so a third player isn't required.

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142475.29 in reply to 142475.28
Date: 5/7/2010 3:36:39 PM
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I see what you are saying and it sort of goes to what I was saying about the "rare" situation where a 2-3 is a good option. However, with a quality SF who can defend outside, inside and rebound, a 2-3 zone is not necessary and not optimal.

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