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156862.19 in reply to 156862.18
Date: 9/17/2010 11:58:39 AM
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Surely there's a risk,but if you are sure to be not relegated,you are better staying in 6th than in 5th place

I think he was saying you need to be more than 92-95% sure. I have seen so many people whine about much more even games where they perhaps had a 55-75% chance of winning that I tend to agree with Charles here. There are probably many more people who think they are that much better than their opponent than who really are. Of course, that doesn't make people perceive things any different. I'm not sure if a real problem is any worse in this case than a perceived but perhaps non-existent problem.

The team that arrive in 6th poistion is not forcedly the 6th team in the league,but that position should be the result of short-time strategies that push a team below his real level.A team that have few chances to be promoted can sacrficie legaue games to make a longer run in the cup,or can lose game training very young players that he will not put on the field in the playouts game;A user that can't connect for a pair of weeks can have a strong drop in shape or can forget to make the line-ups and so losing the games to arrive in a higher position.At that point,is better to play 3 playout games than arrive in 5th place,and this is a pretty ridicoulos thing

Last edited by Steve Karenn at 9/17/2010 11:59:03 AM

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156862.20 in reply to 156862.18
Date: 9/17/2010 12:04:00 PM
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Surely there's a risk,but if you are sure to be not relegated,you are better staying in 6th than in 5th place

I think he was saying you need to be more than 92-95% sure. I have seen so many people whine about much more even games where they perhaps had a 55-75% chance of winning that I tend to agree with Charles here. There are probably many more people who think they are that much better than their opponent than who really are. Of course, that doesn't make people perceive things any different. I'm not sure if a real problem is any worse in this case than a perceived but perhaps non-existent problem.


but even in this case, you had to see that most leagues in buzzerbeater have no relegated teams because they are bottom divisions - and in this case you have 100%

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156862.21 in reply to 156862.20
Date: 9/17/2010 1:04:03 PM
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Sure, these mostly non-competitive leagues are different in this respect. In some small countries even some competitive teams may find themselves in such a situation. Without looking into it to back up my claim, I think Japan may fall into this category.

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156862.22 in reply to 156862.21
Date: 9/18/2010 10:56:14 AM
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Sure, these mostly non-competitive leagues are different in this respect. In some small countries even some competitive teams may find themselves in such a situation. Without looking into it to back up my claim, I think Japan may fall into this category.


Japans JBBL has for the first time started to look really lopsided. The Big 8 is a shadow of the Great 8 so finishing 6th or 7th in the great 8 has to be more attractive than 5th or 4th (2nd v 3rd will be a good battle).

Bottom line is you if you can tank to finish 6th and can win your p/o thats better than picking up 1/3 of 1 game road defeat. Maybe the long-term calculation gives the edge to the 4th place team but honestly who thinks like this and this is also assuming you have your ticket prices nailed on price wise.

Take the cash and enjoy. Finish 6th and if you relegate well you weren't as good as you thought you were. Even if you are unlucky you should cruise through over a 3 game series.

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156862.24 in reply to 156862.22
Date: 9/18/2010 11:25:00 AM
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Bottom line is you if you can tank to finish 6th and can win your p/o thats better than picking up 1/3 of 1 game road defeat. Maybe the long-term calculation gives the edge to the 4th place team but honestly who thinks like this and this is also assuming you have your ticket prices nailed on price wise.


but you do realize, that you took money and lost more in the end? now 4th and 3rd team did not. and if you do this every season eventually you should find yourself in the position that you even can't reach 6th. maybe it will be very long for this to happen, but it should.

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156862.25 in reply to 156862.24
Date: 9/18/2010 11:30:51 AM
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the question about the "last season" point in the survey for me, is it how it recognized the past. Imho your fans lower your expectations depending on your team succes in the past, so getting 6th could also raise your survey point in two seasons and make the loss through this smaller(only my theory)

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156862.26 in reply to 156862.24
Date: 9/18/2010 11:26:19 PM
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Bottom line is you if you can tank to finish 6th and can win your p/o thats better than picking up 1/3 of 1 game road defeat. Maybe the long-term calculation gives the edge to the 4th place team but honestly who thinks like this and this is also assuming you have your ticket prices nailed on price wise.


but you do realize, that you took money and lost more in the end? now 4th and 3rd team did not. and if you do this every season eventually you should find yourself in the position that you even can't reach 6th. maybe it will be very long for this to happen, but it should.


I realise this. But what if you get your ticket prices wrong? What if you get a big injury or your opponents strengthen and you quickly fall from a playoff contender to a relegation battler anyway the following season?

Most people will take $300k now cash rather than $350k (just examples) paid to them over the future weeks. Again the $350k is down to good management and luck.

Also, you can use the $300k to buy a trainee and train for half a season to make more than $50k profit I would guess?? *or add the $50k you lose to the value of the better draft pick you end up getting?

Last edited by Superfly Guy at 9/18/2010 11:27:00 PM

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156862.27 in reply to 156862.26
Date: 9/19/2010 5:58:57 AM
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of course many different factors comes into play, but if we exclude everything, 3rd and 4th are better than 6th. the bottom line - people will do what they prefer. we do not need to make higher places more attractive, just because people are willing to fight for a chance to relegate.

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156862.28 in reply to 156862.27
Date: 9/19/2010 7:07:13 AM
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One solution is to have 14 teams in each division

1-4 : PO
5-6 : PL
7 : relegate

Of course this is a major change but at least every team will have something to fight for at the end of the season.

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156862.29 in reply to 156862.28
Date: 9/19/2010 12:07:09 PM
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The reduced salary payment for weeks without a competitive match could solve the problem.

Another suggestion: The 5th teams could play a decisive match for the better draft position. This would have the advantage of a little excitement for the 5th placed teams, additional income etc.

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