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Star potential is fine for D3 but once you're in D2 its starting to push it. Like I said skill cap is aligned with skills not salaries. A player might cap at 40k if he is pumped in primaries and no secondaries. If that player has secondaries, his cap would be like 30k instead.

Like I said, if you really want to compete in D2, a star potential guy is not going to cut it. There are lots of teams stronger then that. You won't be promoting to ABBL with star potential players as they simply would all cap out before being able to compete for that next level. Perhaps you might get away with it if your aim in D2 is to just "hang around" and not get demoted.

he is not a main trainee, we all know that... he is what? a second or third trainee at best. also his low potential and age wont get him alot of money... also you dont even train guards...

I said he could at least save him a couple of mils if he train him up since he would be a starter for a D2 team and he would tear it up in D3 so... a 30k-40k guard with good secondaries could still got for 2 m+ I wouldnt mind have him to start off due to his rebounding and his IS might cause some matchup problems.

are you saying he shouldnt train this guy? cause thats what it sounds like...

Last edited by SplitJ at 3/28/2011 2:00:48 AM

There is nothing more satisfying than training up your own guy. I don't know if he will be your best or worst trainee but you should train him.

I agree with Monkey Biz in division IV a level four trainer is perfect. You can get one that has less than $10,000 a week salary for less than $20,000. If you can get fitness sepciality as well that is probably as good as a level 5.

I have always trained two position and there has been a lot of heated debate recently about one position vs two position. I think the perfect model of a new division IV team for the first season is either do one position for three trainees only trying to get them 48+ minutes each week and mainly training OD with a good amount of JR and PA. At then end of the season sell one guy for a lot and keep the other two training as well as your new draft pick or a better trainee you have bought. The other way is to have 6 trainees, still try to get them 48+ minutes each per week and have an entire season of JS/1on1 training. At the end of the season you can sell up to four of them making a great profit.

My suggestion is stick with the three trainees/one position training, it is a lot easier for a new player. Smash up the OD with pressure training first - I think 14 is excessive but around 10 will make him a dominator in division IV.


As for how he can perform in division II. With the right skills he can be an effective starter but you will have to chooes point guard or shooting guard. If you make him a PG which is what I would with not so great JR and JS he can be rock solid in the other skills.

The inside defence is a pity but there is nothing you can do about it, instead rejoyce about the IS and RE which will help you a lot.

I am really really guessing here but I think you could get him to something like this :

Jump Shot: prolific Jump Range: proficient
Outside Def.: sensational Handling: sensational
Driving: sensational Passing: sensational
Inside Shot: respectable Inside Def.: pitiful
Rebounding: respectable Shot Blocking: average
Stamina: pitiful Free Throw: awful

I think that would be a fine division II point guard.

Last edited by yodabig at 3/28/2011 2:55:37 AM

Hey Yodabig, and all, thanks so much for the great detail you have provided.

i will definitely take this in my stride and try and get the best out of this young bloke

cheers again

are you saying he shouldnt train this guy?

I didn't say that. You were saying he'd make a starter in D2. I just disagreed with this comment. I am sure his player is good enough to start in D3 but not D2

a 30k-40k guard with good secondaries could still got for 2 m+

I highly doubt that. I can get 60k guards with good secondaries for less than 2 mill.And especially not one with only star potential.

Jump Shot: prolific Jump Range: proficient
Outside Def.: sensational Handling: sensational
Driving: sensational Passing: sensational
Inside Shot: respectable Inside Def.: pitiful
Rebounding: respectable Shot Blocking: average
Stamina: pitiful Free Throw: awful

I think that would be a fine division II point guard.

I agree but I doubt he will make it to those skills with star potential. 1 big fallacy I find in people predicting training is that they look at salary and think if I train secondaries and train my primaries evenly then I can pack more skills in as my salaries are still low.

But unfortunately it is a skill cap and not a salary cap. There is only so many skills you can squeeze onto a player until he caps so I find counting skill points a better indicator than trying to just look at his salary.

From experience, what you describe above is pretty much already beyond the cap for a star potential player. I once had a star potential C with some decent secondaries which was capped at 38K (before the salary drops in the last 2 seasons too) so I would think that the cap salary estimates are way too high

60k guards with good secondaries for less than 2 mill.And especially not one with only star potential.

prove it. also guards you dont mean some JS/JR or One on one monster with some id like mediocre

Just look on the transfer market. There are plenty of guards that are above 60k salary and less than 2 mill. They are also not one dimensional and have decent secondaries.

Here is a star potential player I just saw by chance.

Shooting Guard
Weekly salary: $ 34 917
Age: 25
Height: 5'11" / 180 cm
Potential: star
Game Shape: respectable
Jump Shot: prodigious Jump Range: proficient
Outside Def.: sensational Handling: tremendous
Driving: marvelous Passing: mediocre
Inside Shot: atrocious Inside Def.: pitiful
Rebounding: awful Shot Blocking: atrocious
Stamina: inept Free Throw: mediocre Experience: mediocre

do you actually follow them? they dont go for less than 2m after the bid end, unless they are really old.

just search the TL list, all of them have flaws as guards... pure defense, too much JS, not enough passing... and by decent secondaries... do you just think that a guard with like 1 average in secondaries counts as decent? well I think of my guards have only decent secondaries and they certain have alot more than that. if a guard only 1 secondary then it has to be strong to be even consider decent...

Last edited by SplitJ at 3/28/2011 5:46:16 AM

Yes but look at his secondaries. Sacrificed the secondary skills in order to have higher primaries.