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Argue all you want, injuries are a part of this game and aren't going anywhere.

true. but random injuries do suck.

You cant "handle" the risk of losing two or three of your top players for a longer amount of time.

and that's a problem in my eyes. argue all you want.

i'd say injury system should be revised. maybe some indication for players health should be added. then if you let the player play and his health is bad or close to bad and you get injury - your fault. of course it should not be too simple to manage players health.

EDIT: sry i meant to direct this msg for everyone.

Last edited by Rycka at 4/13/2011 5:05:29 AM

Are you arguing for scheduled injury's?

no i don't want that. but i would want that those injuries would be not completely random. if it would involve some bad managers decisions, you wouldn't see these frustration threads a lot.

Last edited by Rycka at 4/13/2011 5:24:41 AM

Not saying i like when my players get hurt but its a fact that when you play a physical sport injury's do occur.

What you say is true, but at the same time we play this game for fun and thus annoyances should be well dosed so nobody gets pissed off and leaves. I know several managers in this game that had two or even three key players injured at the same time (one of them had three players for 2 weeks out) and that should simply not happen - the damage done to a team is too much (gameshape plummets too).

Make small injuries more frequent - like I said for only one game or so and remove everything over one week, that way everybody will get his fair share of injuries but nobody will be harmed too badly.

There is no need to emulate this real life feature here. It doesn't add anything to the game.

It adds this little element that some people like to call "strategy".

Argue all you want, injuries are a part of this game and aren't going anywhere.

Sorry, but there is very little "strategy" involved in injuries. The most you can do is to hire an expensive doctor, but even if you do this you can have many players injured at the same time.

So the only "strategy" available is to build the best possible roster and pray.

Even if you have a balanced roster with good backups if your key players get injured your good backups won't perform the same as the key players. Backups are backups, and good backups should be good enough to play at a good level for 10-15 minutes while starters do the job for the rest.

Even if you have a balanced roster if God/ramdom decides that your key players shouldn't play you are doomed. And it sucks big time.

Now I have my 2 key players injured and that lead me to lose the 1st playoff final game playing at home. My opponent has a very good team and deserves to be in the finals, but did he win because he was a better strategist than me? No, he won because he was

luckier

than me. And this sucks.

It sucks because those injuries are not a matter of 1 or 2 weeks. They are a matter of more than 150 weeks, since I play buzzerbeater since at least november 2007 and finally I had achieved my goal of being dominant (at the cost of lots of planning and strategy) at the National League.

But, you know, if the BBs think that it's OK to make the managers who play their game angry and wanting to leave that's up to them.

Losing is the biggest gaming annoyance and every game day, half of the BB world is pissed off.

You really have to question the BBs sanity to come up with a game like that. The model can't work, there are angrying half of the userbase twice a week. You don't have to be a genius to figure that out. I am pretty sure many users quit when they lose their first games.

I say let us all win all our games since we are here to have fun. At the very least, let the paying supporters win ;D
Lionel Messi choosed football because they have draws and nobody is upset though he doesn't make use of draws very often.

Seriously, nobody likes to have injured players but it's part of a sports management simulation. Now, let's call a spade a spade, it's intolerable for who can't handle to have a plan disrupted and lose. Injuries can happen, accept it and as a real life coach, there is little you can do about it. Having a larger roster or better back-ups is something you'd want to consider to overcome an always possible injury crisis, no matter what, your team will be weaker.
But taking injuries away or halving them again will make BB a worse simulation. Football Manager without injuries ?... Ah ah ah !

But what is fun for you ? How can't you have fun being the team you are and having tons of successes ?

Would conquering the world satisfy you ? ;)

Not saying i like when my players get hurt but its a fact that when you play a physical sport injury's do occur.

What you say is true, but at the same time we play this game for fun and thus annoyances should be well dosed so nobody gets pissed off and leaves. I know several managers in this game that had two or even three key players injured at the same time (one of them had three players for 2 weeks out) and that should simply not happen - the damage done to a team is too much (gameshape plummets too).

Make small injuries more frequent - like I said for only one game or so and remove everything over one week, that way everybody will get his fair share of injuries but nobody will be harmed too badly.

Agreed.

But taking injuries away or halving them again will make BB a worse simulation. Football Manager without injuries ?... Ah ah ah !

BB is not real life.
In real life you don't need to train your SF as PG/C until he is 26 years old. It's OK here, because it's a game, a challenging and complex game indeed.
In real life if you are the manager of LA Lakers and Kobe and Gasol get injured and can't make to the playoffs it is too bad, the Lakers will lose, that's bad but your life as a manager continues, you have your family, your friends, you go to a party and so on.
Here in BB your players are your life. Without your players you are anything. There's nothing else you can do. If you take your players away from the managers you kill the fun. Create other challenges, make the game even more complex and difficult, but let the players play.
In BB things happen very slowly. One week is a lot of time. Taking away a player for 2, 3, 4 weeks is an eternity for a manager. It is different from real life. And also different from most sports managers, specially those which are not online and let you choose the pace of playing.
One good suggestion is to let in-game injuries happen more frequently and diminish drastically the ocurrence of long term injuries. That would force managers to hire more effective backups and create more balanced rosters.

BB is not real life, it isn't completely realistic and I don't want it to be. It's a game. And it's a simulation too, the game simulates real life, injuries happen in real life. I don't get your line of thinking. Because training isn't realistic, injuries should be taken out ?

Phil Jackson can get over it because he has more important things in life like family and friends but a BB manager can't ?
I am sure you don't mean that and you are simply pushing your point a bit over the limit.

BB is faster than real life, that you find it fast or slow is all very relative, that you find 2 weeks an eternity is relative, if injuries durations were mostly in a 6-8 games span in BB, you'd find a 2 weeks injury to be a relief. Injuries in BB do generally less harm than in real life where players can be out for months and never recover their full skills. Over 2 weeks injuries are rare. Injuries in BB are already friendly to gamers, they are not realistic, they are already toned down to suit a light simulation.

I don't believe your last suggestion would satisfy you, the exact same arguments you are using against injuries as how they are handled now are not answered. You can't control it, it's not fun, no challenge. What's the difference apart from your level of acceptance ?