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As I wanted to have a shorter version of my response, I added this message.

I was "shocked" to see that you, "who has no hidden reason to oppose this suggestion" (as you wrote), "incidentally" had bought your most expensive player (and most valuable one) just seconds before playoff started.
A player who has almost twice as much salary compared to any other team-mate you have.
Where does this happen in the real world?
Does a player who have just been added to a team plays just as good as when some chemistry with his teamate will be created?

I'm "shocked" and I am totaly "supprised".
How can it be that it corellates to your uncivilzed way of opposing this suggestion.

What you've done (by buying that player seconds before playoff) just proved that this feature is one of the more needed features.
Thanks!



Last edited by Pini פיני at 10/28/2011 8:52:13 AM

What is most definately happens in BB and not in the real world (and to that I implied) is that the MVP of a team may be purchased just before playoff.
This does not happen in "real world" as the performance a new player could bring to a team is much less comparing to what he could give after a short whil and this is due to this lack of "Team chemistry" feature.

in mostly europe states this didn't happen, cause of trading deadlines who also exist in the nba but i don't know how it is there. Puerto Rico have a quite good basketleague, especially in summer when the play offs start, cause many european player go their right before the play offs, as key players.

Chandler had a big role (as I wrote), but it wasn't the biggest role in the team.

probadly you say the same about Bron who played for the second best team too. Butler didn't played for injury, and chemistry isn't all about star polayer, ecxchanging role player might be even more important, cause they need to fight for minutes hard that the starters play hard for their minutes too.

Buit wewhen it is only about stars, for you why you are so angry about such transfer for my team, who add up to seven new player a season (19379328)(which is also quite normal comparing to real world action)

in mostly europe states this didn't happen, cause of trading deadlines who also exist in the nba but i don't know how it is there. Puerto Rico have a quite good basketleague, especially in summer when the play offs start, cause many european player go their right before the play offs, as key players.

Doesn't contradicts any.
A good player is a good player.

BUT...
He will give much more to a team after he will be part of it for a while.

The main player of a team issue.
The key player is just taking the importance of the "team-chemistry" issue to extreme, as the team needs to make much more changes when the key player is a new one.

Miami and LeBron are great example.
They needed time to adjust to this new player who came in the summer, participate in their pre-camp (for getting "team-chemistry") and was now their new main player.
As you remember, Miami didn't looked that good at the first 20 games or so. At least not quite as good as they look at the end of the season...
Again, thank you for your example! It assisted me driving my point here.

The key player is just taking the importance of the "team-chemistry" issue to extreme, as the team needs to make much more changes when the key player is a new one.

you really mix that up with systems, chemistry is how you understand with your teammates, how the motivation is in the game and training. Chemistry is mental, and there it could be helpful, when hope in person of a new player comes.

The execution of system need a bit, but one player alone could be integrated nearly right away.

Here get discussed about chemistry, and that really not so easy that new is bad and keeping the same is good.

But when you reduce the ability to play, and the new player is on the bench or maybe even in the public this haven't to do with the systems. Also here the game shape approach would be better, cause it affect the play when the new guy(s) are on floor and it goes away in the next weeks. And when you look back, i even put that as one of the explanations for it.

Even when i am saying a bit activity shouldn't get punished, so i would do nothing here.

Last edited by CrazyEye at 10/28/2011 10:12:49 AM

To be honest I never expressed an opinion here on Team Chemistry (with which I tend more to agree than not).
I just made a joke on your previous feats
It came across as uncivil - it was just supposed to be ironic (and I don't feel the need to reply to your n-th point-by-point debating, because it really was just a joke).
It was surely Off Topic, but uncivil? Meh.
We all should be able to laugh now and then!

I bought Karaplis because I needed him, that's all.
It's not that a Team Chemistry feature would have prevented me from buying him, would it?
I would have bought him regardless, because I was completely unhappy with my former SF and I needed a new starter.

Like I've said, I can't have any hidden agenda because I agree in principle with this suggestion.
(Which goes to prove that you tend to see hidden agendas everywhere).

I agree that chemistry issues are relevant.
But also that "personality" is an element that is key to chemistry, but that is not considered at all.

Hence, a new proposal:

Why not add a "personality" ability to players?

I understand it would be a huge change to the simulation, though. Definitely huge.

But here's some reasons:

1) In real life, teams do take into account personality/attitude during the transfer market. The sheer assessment of a player during a trade can vary a lot if he's a headcase or if he has the "team first" attitutde or if he's a born leader etc.

2) Of course personality affects on-court performance as well. The LeBrons of this world disappear in the 4th quarter. The Larry Birds give everything they have to win. This is an essential aspect of the real game; there is no trace of it in BB. Unless it is hidden. Is it?

3) If you want to add a Team Chemistry feature (which would be needed if properly conceived) you necessarily need the "personality" concept in BB.

PS Should I make a separate thread for this? Or maybe it has already been discussed?

Last edited by Stavrogin at 10/28/2011 11:34:21 AM

Ahahah you did discourage me a lot

Yeah I can see how big an earthquake it would be to the simulation.
Too bad it wasn't thought of at the very beginning of the development (I think that at that early stage a good solution could have been found).

Well this is a nice story that tried (too) hard not to relate to the facts that:

1) A player (and a key player more than others) will assist his new team much more when he will be part of the team for few weeks (AKA "team-chemistry").
You brang the example - how does Miami played at the begining of the season and how at the end of it [exluding their finals... :+) ]

2) The pre-camp is not for training and getting back to shape as independent parts (players).
It is about creating a "team-chemistry".

3) It is not normal that the MVP of a team will be bought seconds before playoff.
The affect of that should be even more negative to a team "team-chemistry" wise.

You brang the example - how does Miami played at the begining of the season and how at the end of it [exluding their finals... :+) ]

bad streaks happen, for a short second you didn't believe that you can not echange key parts and still be succesful.

Detroit and NY both get better after teh melo deal, to bring an example with an push even over a longer period. At least i never saw a manager sayng we had to keep all player, and beware of fresh blood. Normally they say they want to keep a core, a in negoations with all players and then bring in new blood.