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Because it's not easy to solve.

It should be pretty easy. This guy is trolling the whole community and thus should be removed AND punished.

I understand that there are no rules for such cases, so its time to make some! The game manual has a section that contains rules of conduct (or whatever its called in english), I think you should add something to that site that covers unfair behaviour like this.

He is clearly trolling I agree, but:
- Where do you put the limit between trolling and mismanagement.

Where he is clearly taking out the best players while calling his own players.Here there is no doubt about mismanagement,he is trolling

I voted "yes, in extreme cases".

I believe this should not be an automatic system, that is to say: even if the manager's popularity is at 0%, I don't think elections should be recalled automatically.
New elections with voting etc... are not a feasible solution.
I think the solution should be: the community can open a topic to discuss if there's an issue, and report to a local GM the situation. The local GM can decide to submit the case to all the GMs to take a decision. If the GMs/BBs decide that there's been a violation, the manager is replaced with the one who came just behind (in this case: MiG (94997))

- Where do you put the limit between trolling and mismanagement..

In this case Lithuania is being clearly sabotaged, and that manager should be removed ASAP.
But this question is very important: where do you set the line?

Take for example Italy NT: last manager we had basically lost a game (22036) because "he had no internet that day". The remaining matches were prepared so badly. Moreover: he didn't have a plan for players. He didn't talk much with scouts, he didn't communicate with U21 manager, he never updated the DB nor he made any plans about the development of the team. When he got knocked out from the competition, he didn't even bother to organize scrimmages, because hey, who needs some free testing? Not us I guess!
I wouldn't say he sabotaged our NT on purpose, but he dealt a big damage. Our current coach, Bill, is still trying to recover but as you can see he's struggling a lot. It's not only about the players, it's about a whole system... we even had to rebuild our DB from scratch.
I don't think he should have been removed by GMs, but as you can see it's very difficult to set a generic limit.
The final decision should always be in the hands of GMs/BBs.
Given that they should act quickly.


PS: honestly Lithuania... you have to blame who voted for this trolling manager, but you have to blame also your best candidate who decided to break the rules, not once but twice, getting banned both times. Still the situation is unfair, but you guys didn't play it very smartly ;-)

German NT, not German GM But yeah, that was the story. One city had / has a big community inside BB. They decided to run a candidate who promised only to call up players from that city in exchange. That´s not manipulation, that´s politics.

The users of a community can see where there have been trolling and where there's been mismanagement.That's why Biffo proposed solution seems like the fairest one for situations like that
You can't make a precise rule abut mismanagement,if that's your question(but it wouldn't be more than a rethorical question)

The Australian PM also haold about a 26% approval rating and it would take an alien invasion to save her now.

The incompetent Italian should not have been removed. Slackness and mistakes are one thing. Corruption and deliberate sabotage are quite different.

The Australian PM also haold about a 26% approval rating and it would take an alien invasion to save her now.

The incompetent Italian should not (and was not) have been removed. Slackness and mistakes are one thing. Corruption and deliberate sabotage are quite different.

Sorry but... how can you judge so clearly? How can you be so sure? How can you say that the italian manager wasn't sabotaging? I don't know for sure, I have the feeling that he wasn't doing it on purpose. But that's my, and only mine, guess.
Managing the NT is not only "set the line-up and we're good". That's just the final step, and probably the easiest part of the job. And he even failed at that since he lost to Nigeria his first game playing with 4 players (wasting also team spirit), and some of the other games were played with the standard line-up, wasting team spirit again. Because, yes, after the first match with 4 players he set the standard line-up (which he forgot to do at start) and basically he went with that, even when some players were in horrible shape, they were playing (sign that he didn't even bother to modify the standard line-up).
But as I said before, that's just the minor part. He destroyed the NT staff (if the coach doesn't care, why should I? - can't blame these people honestly, this isn't a paid job), never talked to U21 manager for some coordination, destroyed the DB and didn't want to organize scrimmages even if the entire community was pushing for it ("some people inside the staff will the decide the line-up, you just have to press the button" - never answered to that).
You know, Italy is the most winning country on BB, we take things seriously (too much, I think). You can't get out of all this by just saying "I have to study, I have no time" because that could be true (in which case you're stupid, why did you run for the elections?) but that could be just a lame excuse.
Right now Bill, the current coach, has done so much for rebuilding everything, and he's finally dedicating to the players' development. He had to scout ALL the players again. One. by. one. He had to persuade some people to stay or join the staff again. And so on. The damage that has been done was huge, also because the previous management wasn't that brilliant, this was another nail in the coffin.

And you're so sure that this is just "slackness"? I don't know man, I may agree, some may not, can you blame them?

Again: the line is thinner than we may think.

Last edited by Biffo (*DT Member) at 6/23/2013 10:55:47 AM