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From: raonne

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Date: 4/18/2008 5:46:15 PM
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That's why we already have the upper bounds for the ticket prices. But if you can't put them on max in a national title final, then when will you? That's what I think.

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Date: 4/18/2008 5:50:42 PM
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I could also agree that this is not good, unrealistic, unfair, outrageus but all the sistem cup should be revised. I've lost this game (3935279), then I've played away and at the end there is the possibility to face immediately a strong team.
If I play all the games away I think this is more unrealistic than a revenue for a single game; random is dominating the cup at the moment and I think something should be done to avoid waste of money (playing away against IV division teams) before to care about one single match.

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From: Parche

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Date: 4/18/2008 6:06:43 PM
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I am not saying that you cant put them on their max, Im saying that its not weird that you could fill the stadium on 75% of it capacity putting them on their max prices, but if you put them lets say, the ticket prices at 80% of their possibility, you end filling your stadium at 100% and waging more money than on their maximum prices...

I know, it was a cup final, but you can put your prices like Ive just said and earn a lot of money instead of putting them on their max prices, even at a final.

EDIT: Sorry bout my english, I truly tried to be clear..

Last edited by Parche at 4/18/2008 6:09:38 PM

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24956.22 in reply to 24956.20
Date: 4/18/2008 6:07:36 PM
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i have no idea about Basketball attendences IRL but if this was a football match you would have to turn people away at the stadium who arrive without tickets...this is just at a home game... at a neutral ground where people have to travel further people still go..

Hell I went from Tokyo via Singapore & Dubai to get to Istanbul in 2005 without a CL Final ticket..(got one!)....

Liverpool lost a few weeks before to Crystal Palace and then drew with Middlesbro.. did the fans go..mmm.. wont bother with that final?? Ha....

Give the fans a bit more credit.. if you are 10-1 in your league and the loss comes ahead of an important cup tie (semi or even earlier) then fans will turn up....

As someone else posted.. if its just going to be a glorified scrimmage, dont bother calling it a cup.... call it a reserve league game.. the kudos for winning that is nothing and then we wouldnt all care if fans showed up or not..

I think the misleading part is calling it the National Cup because the fan behaviour and monetary rewards for being successful dont mirror what we all believe a National Cup should represent..

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24956.23 in reply to 24956.22
Date: 4/19/2008 1:11:15 AM
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The BBs have already stated that they feel that automatic sellouts for "big" games would unbalance the economy too much.

If someone can think of a way to have automatic sellouts AND not throw the economy out of whack, go for it.

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Date: 4/19/2008 1:26:16 AM
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if the cup was structured differently the smaller teams should be rewarded more for their progression...

every competition loves a minnow and with bigger teams fielding their bench warmers and some smaller teams opting to field their first 5 higher remuneration for the smaller teams could offset some of the difference.

in the FA Cup in England its often the case the smaller side cannot play at home because of policing difficulties and simply too many fans want to attend. in these instances the game is re-arranged at the larger teams ground where the money is still split 50/50 or 1/3-2/3 so if a team with 4500 stadium draws you for example with 20,000 ++ seats the tie could be switched the revenue would be dramatically more but the original home team is still rewarded with a larger slice of the overall cake.

we cant pretend 'big' games aren't 'big' games! and why would we want to deny the additional income to those that deserve it? surely this is one way to get a smoother balanced economy?

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Date: 4/19/2008 1:53:36 AM
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But one thing is not having "automatic sellouts for "big" games" and another is to have 70% attendance in a Cup final.

We dont need "automatic sellouts for "big" games". we need two things:

1- fans to separate between Cup and League.
2- "automatic sellout" in the semi-finals and Final. Damn right.

This will not unbalance the economy. The separation between the tournaments needs to be done. it's almost a bug. it's incorrect. And sellouts for 3 games won't unbalance anything.

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Date: 4/19/2008 1:59:38 AM
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This will not unbalance the economy. The separation between the tournaments needs to be done. it's almost a bug. it's incorrect. And sellouts for 3 games won't unbalance anything.


The BBs disagree.

I asked about this very thing in Season 1 or 2, and that was the answer given.

The BBs are very adamant about not making changes to the economy without a good idea of what the long-term effect is.

If it was discussed in Season 1 or 2 and nothing is changed, then it's quite likely that they think the current model is the best thing for the economy at this point.

Is that subject to change? Of course, everything is subject to change. I just don't think it's very likely.

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24956.27 in reply to 24956.26
Date: 4/19/2008 2:21:33 AM
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a 300k revenue match split in half would result in 150k each.

I seriously don't see how 150k can hurt global economy.

seriously, I think I'm more in this argument for the sake of reality than anything else.
I'm pretty sure Borobia and Alvares Cabral get way better income from the league than from the cup, it's just sad to see a tournament final being weighed as importantly as a regular season match whenever.

moreover, I don't see the use in making a good run in the cup right now. in order to make a good cup run most teams would probably have to sacrifice their league, or at least lose a couple of winnable matches, and by doing so, that team loses audience in the cup as well, and gets very little financial compensation. Left alone the fact that the team will have to deal with the effects on audience of those loses for the rest of the season.

it doesn't look good...

which I think might just be one of the reasons we don't get to see something like 8, 9, 10, really strong teams close to the finals.

Last edited by LA-André at 4/19/2008 2:22:46 AM

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24956.28 in reply to 24956.26
Date: 4/19/2008 1:00:38 PM
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The BBs disagree.

I asked about this very thing in Season 1 or 2, and that was the answer given.

The BBs are very adamant about not making changes to the economy without a good idea of what the long-term effect is.

If it was discussed in Season 1 or 2 and nothing is changed, then it's quite likely that they think the current model is the best thing for the economy at this point.

Is that subject to change? Of course, everything is subject to change. I just don't think it's very likely.

Ok, so I will talk to the BBs and see what THEY really have to say. That's not a big problem.

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Date: 4/19/2008 4:59:19 PM
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Post back the answer so we all know ;)

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