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The farm team thing happens here - perhaps not with the organisation of other nations but I'm positive we have farm teams here in Australia.

i have read many interesting point of views here. but this one does highly a very valid con against secundairy teams

All i have to say is this.

If, back in season 11 or whenever it was i started playing this game, i found out after 4-5 weeks that, as a new user, I was battling in Div IV against Supporter user's '2nd teams'.... supporters who also have teams in the top leagues around the world, and have been playing the game for real life years longer than me.....

then there is
a) No way i would buy supporter
and
b) I would probably think "This is shite" and quit the game.

I remember when i started, finding out that I was playing against guys who had been around for 1 season more than me, made me feel crapola, challanging, and generally they buggered off, but i was a bit like 'hmmm well that sux' and it questioned why i would play the game.
so have a think about all the new users who will be starting, and playing against ur second team.

it's a very valid Con. However, just imagen the following: u got a former ABBL user, who has decided to tank a while, get some young talent under his belt through the draft, train them and then buy the players with the cash he saved from tanking.

If u are a novice manager, u'll still feel annoyed. Hence, u should consider tanking undermining the game in the same way, where as general opinion is that it's acceptable and some might even argue that it's a smart strategy... (now before this topic gets hijacked about tanking, i just wanted to show an simular example. futhermore, more often than not, teams take a risk during a season to promote, pushing their economies to the limit to maximalise the chance for promotion. If they then see a 4th place conference team suddenly spend 7M to ramp up for PO's, they are equally screwed and in several cases, do end up giving up on the game... many things are unfair in this game, so that con could apply to several things)

However, i would like to mention that the guy's using the second teams could help living things up, especially in quite communities. This in turn will help novice managers (even at a forum lvl of their division) learn new things and thus set them on the right direction to help them progress faster, instead of making all the newbies errors that they usually make.

futhermore, i'd also like to point out that the following rule:

2. Country restriction: Secondary teams cannot play in the same country nor buy players from the primary team's original country. To make sure some smaller countries aren't overwhelmed by the influx of new foreign teams, a minimum of 50% of the teams in a country will be reserved for local managers. Also, if a country is 90% full – the remaining teams will be reserved for local managers.

That means that the influx in smaller communities will still be restricted. Thus, such a con as mentioned above would most likely only occure in the larger communities, and not in the smaller communities.

each proposition has a pro and a con, but arguments can be made that the secundairy teams could help out the newbies and thus progress faster. (who would u contact? a guy in ur league who u know nothing off, or a guy who u know has the experience of the game, is playign high somewhere else and likely has some good pointers for u?)

just giving my thoughts about it.

ps: i know it's late, but i don't read all the fora all the time in foreign fora. just the ones i deem interesting and that are written in an understandable english ;)

yes you do make a good point and yes your english is fine! a few incorrect words here and there, but nothing that didnt mean i couldn't understand it!

also, i'd like to point out that several groups of managers are already discussing where they'd want to go (as a group). And by that, i mean managers from different nations who don't get to play each other except in a private league.

i have knowledge of some wanting to go to a small size country ( more or less 100 managers) with the intention of really helping out that nation by training the prospects of that nation hoping to help out to the nation at both Representative Team levels, as well as hoping to activate the community a bitt.

i won't deny that they are looking forward to facing each other in a real competition (because no matter how u look at it, private league games are special test games. Enthusiasm etc can't be chosen, nor does it have financial/sportive consequences such as injuries to player or minutes counting towards training). But they do intend on helping out in that community. i know that people can have many plans, but don't always follow through on them (i just need to look at U21/NT speeches for proof) however, i do reckon that they will give it a try at the very least. And the fact they are willing to try is already something i consider as a pro for the second teams. U might counter with the argument that such groups might risk taking over a community, however if the community is dead or near dead (and i'll point out to the Belgian main forum as an example, but i could mention many others as well) then the extra influx of active managers can only be a bonus for those who are willing to communicate, learn and discuss about BB.

regards

Az~

That is an awesome idea. Which country will those 100 managers be invading? I' might join them =P

There are some that wanted an utopia country. By doing this they are essentially making their own utopia country.

i know that one group is targetting New Zealand. and a second (larger group) is still trying to figure out where they'd want to go, but the names as Mexico, Norway, Austria and Sweden are in the mix, but to my knowledge, no nation has been agreed upon yet.

i might join that second group, or if not i'll go for a second team in Australia. i might be moving to Queensland or NSW soon for 9 months and thus having a team in the country i'm in for an extended period might not be such a bad thing. (and it's not as if the Belgian community would miss me, considering that if we put aside the BBBL fora and would remove Joe, Dart and myself from the equation, then it's completely dead).

either way, in anticipation of my potential move, i though i might as well start to be a little active on the fora. the move is still pending a couple of things, but those are out of my hands.

ur screwed I think they decided all r going 2 utopia

the obvious down side to this is those that happen to land in utopia div I have a HUGE advantage that land in div 3 or 4. Would be better if they started everyone in div 4, top 256 teams from first season then go to div 3, etc. That would make it fair on everyone.

reckon the 1st season they will all start in bot div

but still a ton of luck who promotes & who not that 1st season which will be massive

reckon the 1st season they will all start in bot div

but still a ton of luck who promotes & who not that 1st season which will be massive

see below, but i disagree with your statement about the luck.

1) the utopia team can buy players from the original nation?
2) everyone starts in IV. however, after the first season, how many promote to III? if only the champs promote, then it's 64 teams, which only fills 3 III divisions... if it's a clean up, then those thougher conferences will be at a disadvantage, etc etc...
3) when does Utopia start?
4) by my knowledge, a BB season doesn't match a full year. So i'm assuming they mean 4 seasons?

and last but not least: one big Con remains:
the managers who would take a second team, would go to other communities. since they are usually the active ones on the forum, BB was hoping to see the smaller nations getting more active (assumption of mine here). However, since everyone ends up moving to Utopia, we are facing the risk of seeing managers become less active in their own communities because Utopia will without a doubt become a 'hyper' active community. So now ur draining the current (active) communities to one central place. I'm not sure if that is such a good thing for Buzzerbeater in it's whole. BB is fun because we all share a passion for basketball, but it remains fun because of the interactions u can make within the community (atleast that is my view on it). i love it because i can rival others, exchange idea's, discuss topics etc. However, if u drain those communities, will BB remain such a fun place? I liked the idea of a second team, but somehow i'm feeling less attracted to the Utopia idea...


As for the 1st season luck etc:
there are multiple options for that first season. However, i'd like to point out that those promoting will have a slight advantage, but will have had to spend cash to get up their on players. Other owners could invest in their own arena, decide to end last, pick up a good draftee, buy a trainer and have a much better financial situation to go from. my prediction is that everyone will go after players on the TL, instead of first taking care of their own financial situation. Everyone is so focussed on promoting, that many will forget that what makes a team truely succesfull, is long term planning and a good economical foundation to support it.

So yes, certain managers will promote faster, get a promotion bonus etc. However, they won't have the arena or the economical foundation required to keep up with it. So teams promoting the seasons afterwards will have a better economy and are likely to overtake the hastly promoted teams. being in a higher division doesn't do u any good if u don't have the arena to generate enough revenue from it. A top division in any country with decent amount of active people is very unstable at first. It only becomes stable after 5 to 6 seasons, when the economies have given them a good advantage. Hence, focus on the economical part first, before charging for the top division. atleast, that is if u intend on playing a while...

really good points should repost in main forum

1 tean in ur league starts with 6k 18yo hof playa they sell 4 5 million who u think is going 2 win season 1?