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From: Knecht

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277612.19 in reply to 277612.18
Date: 2/25/2016 4:15:55 PM
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Salary formula has been changed too. Did not change a lot.

Größter Knecht aller Zeiten aka His Excellency aka President for Life aka Field Marshal Al Hadji aka Lord of All the Beasts of the Earth and Fishes of the Seas aka aka Conqueror of the Buzzerbeater Empire in Europe in General and Austria in Particular
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277612.21 in reply to 277612.20
Date: 2/25/2016 4:48:17 PM
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So it ain't changed enough maybe as we still don't see any 20/18 JS/JR players


Of course we're not, because the only people who would ever train something like that are either people who were training outside shooting and went inactive, or people who want those builds for themselves.

The balance between OD and other skills is off. Want to stop jump shots and threes? Train OD. Want to make it harder to pass it to big men for easy buckets? Train OD.

From a design standpoint, it's no wonder why people are pumping 1v1 FW and OD and avoiding JR - because they would need probably three full seasons of JR training to get it up to a level roughly equal to the level of OD they'd face. And for what? The salary formula has been tweaked but it bears repeating that high OD and JR (and JS) are all major components of the SG formula, so getting high outside scoring and outside defense at normal levels is much more expensive.

The sad truth is that, of course, we don't know what 20/18 guys would do against traditionally built guards because they're not being built, nor does there seem to be any real yearning for them other than some weirdos like me who actually want to do the outside offense thing. But when it takes two skills offensively to hit threes (JS and JR) and only one to slow it down, plus the single defensive skill also helps against many other tactics while JR is good for shooting threes, shooting threes and shooting threes, it's highly unlikely to have any other balance than what we have now.

[edit to add: Right now, there are more players on the TL with 16+ JS and 6 or less JR than there are 16+ JS and 14+ JR. Pretty astounding, but when the options are giving up to six guys training that gets them bumps in driving, some handling, some jump shot and a non-salary-affecting inside shot, or give up to three guys much less cumulative training in something that raises jump range and a little jump shot, well, this is what happens]

Last edited by GM-hrudey at 2/25/2016 4:54:14 PM

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277612.27 in reply to 277612.22
Date: 2/25/2016 8:39:58 PM
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Again:
1. Salary formula sucks regarding JR - we all agree on that.
2. Our players also sucks as they don't have neither JR nor PA enough to beat the OD players face. Blame BBs for practically not allowed us to train JR and blame yourselves for not training PA.

IMO, passing is the most underrated skill, maybe just a little bit behind shot blocking. 5 players on the field with 15+PA can demolish almost anything they face - if you give your players easy shots, you don't need 20/20 JS/JR guards to score 3-pointers.


I love passing, don't get me wrong. But for three point shots, I'd rather have a big man with decent JR taking a contested three against another big man than have a guy with 18/14 have an open three.

But the point remains - how much JS, JR and Passing do you need to train to be relatively effective shooting threes? When you then consider that you still have to train a division-appropriate level of OD as well. You've got to train these players significantly longer to get that JR, you get to pay them a lot more when you're done, and you're still fortunate if they're anywhere near effective reliably from long distance.

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277612.28 in reply to 277612.23
Date: 2/25/2016 8:46:02 PM
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The sad truth is that, of course, we don't know what 20/18 guys would do against traditionally built guards because they're not being built

I know of this one team that has a backcourt consisting of two guards at 18/18 and 19/18 in terms of JS/JR. The two players shot a mostly disappointing 38% and 34% from three point range last season in division I. Despite massive salaries and ratings that put them amongst the best in the world, their actual performance isn't really getting the job done. It's not hard to understand why very few managers have chosen to go the JR route. The balance isn't there yet and I'd be surprised if we've seen the last attempt at trying to increase the value of outside offenses.

PS. The team I'm referring to is my own in case it wasn't clear



Nice, and ouch. I'm actually aiming at getting three guys to 20 JR before going even more unconventional with them.

Just out of curiosity, based on my experiences, I wonder if you ever noticed either that your guys shot better percentages when guarded as opposed to uncontested shots, or if you saw more than a couple of games where your players had high PP100 predictions that they massively underperformed (e.g., 25% shooting or less on a 90+ PP100)? I was convinced that there was something with the Princeton tactic that make the SG's actual production plummet.

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