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71584.19 in reply to 71584.18
Date: 2/10/2009 2:24:34 PM
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Another option might be to change the tiebreaker criteria so that the first tiebreaker is number of forfeits (fewer being better), and then point differential is second.

That might be a bit confusing though unless we displayed it on the standings page and so forth.


That's not a bad compromise at all (provided it was posted on the standings page, of course).

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71584.20 in reply to 71584.18
Date: 2/10/2009 3:27:25 PM
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Forfeit losses I assume? Because you can't avoid win by 25-0 walkover, so current state is clearly better, hands of the walkover winner are tied, hands of his/her competition not.

For example I have poitn differential average +26.36 so it is doable in lower levels where this could occur more often (didn't in my division).

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71584.21 in reply to 71584.11
Date: 2/10/2009 4:52:53 PM
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Solutions for a WO:
1. The team loses weekly training.
2. Team loses by a difference of +75 (instead of +25)
3. Team´s survey fans drops a few balls.

Any of them are good to me, though i prefer the first one!

It´s just my point of view.

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71584.22 in reply to 71584.21
Date: 2/10/2009 5:20:46 PM
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2. Team loses by a difference of +75 (instead of +25)


That wont happen, it enriches the winning team too much.

NO ONE at this table ordered a rum & Coke
Charles: Penn has some good people
A CT? Really?
Any two will do
Any three for me
Any four will score
Any five are live
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71584.23 in reply to 71584.22
Date: 2/10/2009 5:59:10 PM
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The problem with a rule like this is evident in my division. Torooo regularly beats all of us by more than 25 no matter how badly we wish otherwise. A change like this would mean that more often than not 2 teams in my division would lose training each week.

He only failed to win by more than 25 in three league games this season. Without BBB it would have only been once.

Essentially a rule like this would punish most of division because of one exceptional team.


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71584.24 in reply to 71584.23
Date: 2/10/2009 6:00:24 PM
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We're talking about when there is a walkover.

If this was enacted, Torooo could still whoop on teams all year and it wouldn't affect training.

NO ONE at this table ordered a rum & Coke
Charles: Penn has some good people
A CT? Really?
Any two will do
Any three for me
Any four will score
Any five are live
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71584.25 in reply to 71584.24
Date: 2/10/2009 6:02:47 PM
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Gotcha - I misread it to be some sort of proposed blowout rule.

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71584.26 in reply to 71584.18
Date: 2/10/2009 6:53:50 PM
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Another option might be to change the tiebreaker criteria so that the first tiebreaker is number of forfeits (fewer being better), and then point differential is second.

That might be a bit confusing though unless we displayed it on the standings page and so forth.


Why don't you just do it based on head-to-head record? I realize that would often be a tie, in which case you could then do it based on record within the conference.

Doing it plus/minus points seems really odd to me - is that how they do it in Europe or something?

From: CrazyEye

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71584.27 in reply to 71584.26
Date: 2/10/2009 7:10:05 PM
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i don't like the head to head thing, in combination of game shape and enthusiam management where you have often set prioritieson the long run it is fair, but in this case the opponent in that week become to improtant ...

So i believe the point sbetter represent the overall performance in league.

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71584.28 in reply to 71584.27
Date: 2/10/2009 7:17:18 PM
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i don't like the head to head thing, in combination of game shape and enthusiam management where you have often set prioritieson the long run it is fair, but in this case the opponent in that week become to improtant ...

I don't understand this at all. If you beat someone in the head-to-head matchups, particularly if there's a home and home, then you're the better team and deserve the higher seed.

So i believe the point sbetter represent the overall performance in league.

With so little control over a team's performance in garbage time, I think this is a pretty horrible indicator.

From: docend24

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71584.29 in reply to 71584.28
Date: 2/10/2009 8:20:39 PM
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His point is that schedule would become more important and I agree. Also you sometimes couldn't tell who you would be tied with so the effort in the relevant games would be a problem - it could be decided by luck whether you play strong lineup with solid effort or not by a chance (assuming there is notie if the head-to-head would be 1-1, then points differential from those two games logically comes as second criterium).

Managers with better micromanagement are rewarded by current tiebraker, with head-to-heads they wouldn't.

Despite the problematic garbage time yu have pretty much good control over your score (points for and points against).

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