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74916.19 in reply to 74916.17
Date: 3/2/2009 2:06:46 PM
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@ RIP88,

The newchuckd says "I don't see any proof that you would do better." Yes. How can Paulo do better than what he has already done...if you consider what he has accomplished to be a success.

"You've run in every single Canadian election except for one and you've never won. Ever think to ask yourself why?" - Just as in Hattrick, Battrick, HockeyArena, Buzzerbeater etc. If you don't spend time offering opinions in the forum during other times of the season, you stand little chance of winning an election. That is the truth. The idea among some members is that, if you aren't interested in participating in the forum, then you aren't interested in running the NT. That is complete BS.

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74916.20 in reply to 74916.18
Date: 3/2/2009 2:13:13 PM
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Commitment - As a BB Supporter, I have made a financial commitment to the game. I have created and organized the public league that I play in. I began playing BB in season 2 and I am still here playing the game.

@thenewchuckd -
Participating in the forums and volunteering to help the coaches when they ask for help (like RIP has done with scouting, etc) would go a long way towards showing what you're made of.


Again, participating in forums is trivial...but important to the mindset of some that it gets your name out and recognized among those in the country. I read the forums, but choose not to respond (most of the time). When we elect someone to run, let them do their job.

As far as volunteering is concerned, I offered my input to Paulo when he first took the reigns with respect to player selection - specifically helping to find Canadians playing abroad.

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74916.21 in reply to 74916.20
Date: 3/2/2009 2:32:05 PM
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That was more along the lines of what I was looking for.

However, if you want to get elected, you've got to get your name recognized. I don't see any way around that. It is the community who votes, after all.

Maybe if you won the BBB or the National Tournament 3 years in a row I could overlook that I don't know you. However, your team has not had great success for a team that started in season 2.

You have, in fact, been playing about a month longer than Paulo. He has been in Naismith for quite some time. You are not quite there yet.

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74916.22 in reply to 74916.21
Date: 3/2/2009 2:46:33 PM
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That depends on how you want to measure things.

In fact...we beat Paulo's team in our only encounter.

Our league record in that time has been 88-45.

Question is this, and this is to how most play the game, what are your objectives?

I could probably sell off my trainee Poudrier for $2.5 million plus and help my club in other areas, while continuing to train players with Inside D, Inside Scoring etc. to improve the front court. Poudrier is close to being with the NT, and, is still receiving training which can't be said for some of the players ahead of him on the NT roster.

So...I have put my interests in training a center over the results of the club. I know that. Therefore, we probably won't be to the Naismith for a few more years as I plan to sell of some trainees again in this early season.

As you can see from my transfer record, I am interested in buying players cheaply, training them, and then selling them for profit. The cash will continue to come and the wins will come later.

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74916.23 in reply to 74916.22
Date: 3/2/2009 3:24:01 PM
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As you can see from my transfer record, I am interested in buying players cheaply, training them, and then selling them for profit. The cash will continue to come and the wins will come later.


I think that no one makes it to Naismith without doing that. Also, this is not HT where the best strategy is to stay in the lower divisions on purpose.

You beat Paulo by one point back in season 4... I also note that you had home court advantage. Not exactly a fair comparison.

Finally, the competition in II.2 is nothing like Naismith. Most of your games should be easy wins for a team that has been around as long as you.

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74916.26 in reply to 74916.25
Date: 3/2/2009 5:10:42 PM
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I am not sure where I said anything about making the U21 Great. We can only make progress with what we have at our disposal. Playing against other countries with greater talent pools will make that tough. I spoke about realistic goals, commitment and a style of play that I prefer in my U21 speech.

@Rip88 - the NT manager has a responsibility to communicate to the public what they are doing through the forums and team page.

Even with Rip88 running the NT, you have been elected to do the job. I really don't care to critique your performance, because at the end of your term, your management will speak for itself. Either as a success or not. But in the interim, I really don't feel that it is necessary for me to tell you how to run the team. It is why you ran and were elected. If the Canadian community feels that you have done poorly, you may not get in the next time around (assuming you decide to run again).

How does this style of thinking promote communication in the Canadian community? Discussion is good. But it also has it's place. At the end of the day, you are the one as a NT manager who makes the final decisions. If you feel it is important to let the Canadian community know every detail of your decisions, that is fine, however I don't think a grand justification is needed for every move you make.

That is my two cents...would be nice to hear from someone other than RiP88 and thenewchuckd.


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74916.27 in reply to 74916.26
Date: 3/2/2009 8:15:24 PM
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Anyhow, sorry if I was harsh. I do appreciate that you are running and the debate you are creating. It has been seriously lacking on both the NT and U21 level the past few seasons.

I wish you luck in the election.

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74916.29 in reply to 74916.28
Date: 3/2/2009 11:30:40 PM
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A question to all of the candidates - how would you communicate/convince the owner of a promising player, let's say this player (7971965), to train him correctly? As the U21 coach is responsible for developing talent, this would seem to be the most critical aspect (to find talent and ensure it is correctly trained).