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You missed the point. Would you go for the 6-th place if you knew they are better than you? To me it seems you failed to get to the 4-th and now started to rant here. Get better so you can make the playoffs. Guys who play below the line have the chance to relegate and can you actually say any of those 4 below the line in you're league are actually safe? Have you looked at youre countrys top division? Atleast in Estonia the guys who promoted are all facing relegation. Do you think they did not try to get that 5-th place. When you promote to the division above you would do anything to atleast get that 5-th spot.

i didn't fail to get to the 4th place as it wasn't my goal in the first place i was aiming to the 6 place from the beginning of the season the only thing i failed at was to get to the 6th place i am giving you have real situation that a team in my D.1 finished 6 in the full knowlege that the team in the 7th place have a good chance of beating them (this is the same team who beat them in the semmiy in the cup) so yes i think most teams will rather take the chance in the 6th place and if you look one post above you have a team in my first D who finished 5th in season 6-7 and tells you that yes thy rather have finished 6

you know what ill add few things this is your second season here right? in your first season you got promoted to D.III after a TB this season you are the leader of your league so you have a good chance of doing this all over again right? you want to know what was my situation before this season ? lets see i started in the middle of season 6 i got promoted to D.III at the end of the season and after it in season 7 i got promoted to D.II after 3 games and yes i hope to you the same thing and after it i hope you wont get demoted to D.III and finish 5th in season 9 and will see how you will talk after it

now to the subject again

pros/cons
pros

5th place - you 100% don't get relegated (if you finish 6/7 you don't automatically relegate either)
6th/7th place- batter draft pikes at list one (if not 2) weeks of extra training game and more money

cons
5th place- you finished your season no more official games if you had away games in your last 2 games and it happens and/or you start the season with away game you can have as much as 5!!! weeks with no income you have at list 1 week less training then the teams who got kicked out in the upper playoff but lets scratch that you have at list one week less training if not 2 then the teams who finished 6/7 middle cared draft pike

6th/7th pace- you have a chance to relegate and most likely dominant the lower division the next season have a financial season no go back stronger and batter the season after it

Last edited by LA-Nir at 5/17/2009 6:36:44 AM

Well atleast I hope my opponent does not hand me the victory in the last game like your's did:)
Can you actully say that you could make more money in divIII than in divII? Even if you lose all games in divII you should be making more money than in divIII winning all games.
So basically we could counter this problem with removing the income from relegation games. In this case everyone would actually go for the playoffs. I promotod and knew I could play at divIII level (atleast get into playoffs). With some additions to my lineup I became a contender and plan to promote to divII and go for atleast 5-th place. When you have no official games you can manage 48 minutes to youre trainees without worrying about the outcome.

Last edited by Kukoc at 5/17/2009 6:46:35 AM

as far as my last season promotion the opponent teat dident want to promote that is true but as it was and still is my team dident need the "help" from the other team to win and still this is not relevant to the discussion right now right?

and as far as the 5th VS 6/7 are you even reading the all thing that i say? this is not just money it is more training time i train 2 position guards as a 2 positions trainer i have 5-6 guards who train contently as far as the next 3-4 weeks i have 2 games per week so you tell me how can i get 48 minutes to 5-6 trainees in 2 games? ill be happy to know at looking at your team i have no idea what position you re training or how many trainees you have so i dont know how you manage your weekly minutes and even if you train one position you will normally have 3 players if you can get 3 players in one position 48 minutes in 2 games please do share

the last thing geting rid of the incomes to 6/7 places is not resolving the problem is creating a new one a 5th place team can have 3-5 weeks of only expenses witch can lead to backdrops nice way to motivate teams

Why would someone not want to promote? You gain extra cash for promotion, make more money with arena income and if you relegate you can promote again and get that extra cash for promotion. So not to promote when you have chance is by far the worst choise ever to make.
You seem to be whining about money mostly in this thread.
So you had no situations in this game where you had to adapt, change training regimes during ASW or when some of the trainees got injured? If there is a rule change, do you adapt? In 5-th place you still have 2 games so you can train 4 players on two spot training (if you want to concentrate on the better ones) or if you have equal trainees (usually you don't have 6 equal trainees) you might consider going for 3 spot training. You can hardly get 6 players trained in 2 spots anyway (that is if you want to actually win games).

Last edited by Kukoc at 5/17/2009 7:26:43 AM

i have to not agree with you as some teams think thy are not good for the higher division and rather have one more season in a lower league and get there more ready

and as to your answer i i will stop posting answers as you do not take what i tell you in any mean of try to understand and telling me i am whining all the time

and as far as ASW the situation is the same for all teams so i have no problem there but the situation here is that a team that got batter position in the season get worse rewards for it at the end (training time draft pike and less money but not only)

and yes you may not be aible to fully train 6 players in a 3 games weeks? i think i bean ding a good job doing so in the last 3 weeks with 6 players and the one i think of the lees got only +-40 minutes per week so yah i think i did a good job there but it dosent matter that in order to survive the next few weeks i need to sell 2 of my trainees

now if unless you have something that actually talks to the subject other them try to tell me i am whining over money and dont even try to read the all thing this will be my last post to you

First of all do not get agitated as your english suffers badly.

How does it matter how good you are for the next division. You get more revenues when you promote -> therefore you can get better faster still doing the same thing you did while you were one div below. Atleast in BB there is nothing better than promotion and that's how it should be.

It seems to me, I am giving good arguments why 5-th team has it good. Perhaps you can not see it in divII but in bigger userbase countrys, divI is highly competitive making sure you stay in top division with equal teams is vital.

It's great you can almost train 6 players. But still the fact is, that when you train 6 players a week on 2 spots = you lose some games you could of won -> therefore lose some money over the season on fanbase etc etc. Some unlucky CT's against you. Eventually you could of made the playoffs and it's really hard for you to reach 6-th place with 10 players training 6. There are actually no ways you can deliberately lose if you want to keep your training.

There are some inbalances in the playoff picture anyway (for example team ranked 4-th usually makes more money compared to team ranked 3-d, just because team ranked 1-st has a better income per game than team ranked 2-nd).

So here is another suggestion for you. Teams gain money based on league weekly average (1-st 90%, 2-nd 80% etc) this way everyone get's something per week and attendancys during the week will not be paid upon. This way we might have some finals ending in 2 games aswell. Yes I know this does not solve you're training problem. I have a feeling that you would go berserk if you would get 3 of those players injured. Suggest 1 injury per season to trainees rule?:D
Try to adapt imo.

i am sorry that my dyslectic problems are hurting your eyes

i am sorry the empire of Estonia is not even scratching the lower bar of Israel first D

i have yet see one good argument abut why 5th is a good place other then you dont get relegate

are you siresly looking at my team after i am trying to dump half of them and think it is any way of an indication of my team 2 weeks ago?

and yes when i have 4-5 players who are in somewhat the same lvl you can train 5-6 players without losing every second game and yes when you go with your full 5 subs and TE VS CT you can try to deliberately lose

just for your information try to go to a personal lvl here is so low i wont even start it but just for you to know i had 2 weeks with 3 injures this season and 2 of thous wear trainees o no i know how to adapt that is why i manage to get promoted 2 seasons in a row in a higher base users community then Estonia and more then that a team such as yours will never be as successful in Israel D III as it is in Estonia then pleas when you try to make fun of some one els community at list try to look at there teams first and talk after (batter think before you talk)

The problem is the same every year,and effectively often the 5th in the league have a worse situation than the 6th
Maybe the solution is to give incomes for the scrimmages only in the period of the post season,and the incomes is based on the number of people which come into the arena in the scrimmage between the two 5th place teams in the scrimmage generated by the system(income divided 50%-50% between the two teams)

Last edited by Steve Karenn at 5/17/2009 9:28:22 AM

Israel 1046
Eesti 1236
The second promotion of your team was a fluke.
You have bought 2 players for a lot of money this month and sold 2 benchplayers this week. You do know that anyone can look at the numbers right.
Do you get CT-d a lot? You can TIE weaker teams easily at home if you have enthusias then away aswell.
I am pretty sure I would be happy to stay at 5-th spot next year if I am lucky enough to promote. Youre team would be easily playable for my team. Even with 2 of youre new signings.