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If you have a player with lower potential it is probably ok to ignore the elastic effect and train randomly. The player will reach the cap anyways, it will just take longer.

With the above I just wanted to give some insights regarding training. People don't necessarily need to stick to the most efficient training path, but at least it helps understanding why a certain way is better than another.

The Chinese way to heavily train 1v1, is not wrong per se.

I'm not suggesting push your OD or ID to 18+ as soon as possible

Also known as Nachtmahr's way ;), but his training plans are a bit crazy and his end targets are extreme.

I'm a massive believer in the fact of training defense first. With every player I have ever trained, I've always started with this and unless told by someone who has successfully trained a world class player, I will continue too.
I do agree 1v1 at 18 can have an effect on elastic effect, but as Vecx said, training defense allows you to train a player out of position without them being a liability which consequently means more minutes.

With every player I have ever trained, I've always started with this and unless told by someone who has successfully trained a world class player, I will continue too.

Then, let's ask Park how he trained Sharpling or JoeMaverick how he trained Connor Marshall (who has got around 150 TSP) or the manager who trained this fella (21412912) who allegedly has 158 TSP. I simply think it's impossible to train a "world class player" with that kind of totals or with legendary in several key skill without training 1v1 first.

Last edited by Lemonshine at 12/10/2014 12:58:22 PM

I simply think it's impossible to train a "world class player" with that kind of totals or with legendary in several key skill without training 1v1 first.

It's possible

While I value comments on every topic raised in this thread, I'm getting pretty sick of reading sarcasm and dare I say it, a sort of smug authority attached to some posts. If you can't really be civil in a discussion about the best way forward, and bringing the community (or at least those who are bothered about the NT) together, then really I'd prefer you to either shut up completely, or make your own thread. You're not helping.

I'm also pretty sick of people presenting opinion as facts and telling others what to do. Especially when the numbers and common sense seem to indicate the exact opposite, such as when people suggested not to train that ATG guard trainee in 1v1 to begin with which was pretty ludicrous.

I provided some numbers which are available to everyone from the US offsite project and asked for examples from people who have actually created the best players we have (had). I think everyone should be put in a condition to know what best for himself, through explaining and providing some arguments rather than having 1 or 2 people telling him what to do.

A better level of understanding of the game and training and more managers who know what they are doing, rather than 1 or 2 oracles, who speak the truth and need to be followed. No idea what your opinion is on this, but I'd like to know.

It's possible

Would you be so kind to share with us some training pattern or an example so that we can actually take this statement seriously rather than taking it as the truth because you said so? I would be very happy for you to prove your point, it would mean I'd have learnt something new. Any example of a guard with 107+ outside skill points or an overall 140+ TSP player would do (or please define your definition of 'elite' and 'world class')

Last edited by Lemonshine at 12/10/2014 6:31:45 PM

I've done it, and without jeopardising the private stats of my own players on a public form I will not go into it. If that isn't good enough for you, then I am deeply sorry, I am not trying to be deceptive, elitist or sarcastic in suggesting that it's just something you are going to have to deal with without getting upset about it.

Last edited by LA-Vecx at 12/10/2014 6:30:47 PM

I've done it, and without jeopardising the private stats of my own players on a public form I will not go into it.

Sorry I added a bit more. I understand and respect your position of wanting to keep your trainees skills secret and that's why I mentioned Sharpling (he's now 34 and declining, so probably sharing his skills at 30 should be ok) and Marshall (he was put on display by JoeMaverick in the past, so I'd think he'd be ok to share his stats, which I have anyways).

An example with a training plan without starting with 1v1 and an explanation of why it is structured and developed in a certain way, surely would help those people who've asked more info about training above. Also "without jeopardising" does not mean "most efficient", reaching a good target is not reaching the best possible target either, I'm sure you'll agree.

We also can agree that finding some balance with performance may be preferable than brutally going for the most efficient route, but I turn the same question I had for Gully to you too. Going forward, is it better to try and improve our average English manager (ie all of us who care to) understanding of the game/training so he's capable or choosing for himself if he wants to follow one route or another or leave that decision to someone else and follow what he suggests?

Last edited by Lemonshine at 12/10/2014 6:54:49 PM

Park didn't train Sharpling much, he bought him (from a guy who'd outbid me a couple of seasons earlier) when he was largely done. Sharpling isn't anything special from a training perspective, he's just a short arse with a lot of skill.
Sharpling had 106 outside skills at his peak, 9 more than he has now.

Last edited by Elmacca at 12/10/2014 7:12:14 PM