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This seems mostly to be a discussion between supporters and non-supporters.

No, it's more a discussion between people that think that a secondary team could give an in-game advantage through well organized cheating(against other national teams, favoring one of their own teams in league competitions)/farming and the ones that do not care/don't believe so/want to have these in-game advantages/ want to go in a micronation to win it all with much easier competition while keeping their actual team

No one would opposite to a secondary team in a completely seprate league(female league or "utopia" country) from the actual ones, because it would not affect the actual game.

I totally support this. One very important flaw has been brought up by Yellow Cake: secondary teams stealing top draft picks.

I suggest secondary teams get merchandise boost for NT/U21 players from the country secondary team is in. Basically I'd play in USA, train USA NT player and if he ever plays for USA NT, I get same merchandise boost as I get for my primary team when one of my NT players plays for Slovenia.

This would not only prevent the pick stealing to an extent, but secondary team would be much more welcomed in a country if it means he will contribute to their U21 or NT cause.

Regardless i am Supporter or not, i would vote for this feature, no doubt in it.
First, i would say that this feature will increasy income to BB owners, and it wont be slightly.It means those ppl will continue on progress of BB with higer moral and enthusiasm.I would say that will contribute to the game in long term, coz finance aspect keeps it alive.
Also, from the game aspect, i would say it would bring something new, something which force you to log more frequently and stay online longer.It would be interesting to see foreign players in your community, especially well known.I think it would increase level of gaming, overall.Thb,i dont mind compete with foreign managers in my country, as a matter of fact it would give specific moral to beat them, and keep trophy in domestic hands.
As for countries where new teams should play, i think it should be decided on some random factor.Someone already mention, and tbh i havent read all those posts, so i dont know have you already discussed already about that, but i would set that manager cant pick nearby countries, as those countries would get adventages in Draft process.
We all know that many people works and live abroad, i bet they would pick they native country and helps it with new talented players.
Also, We all know that many Chineese lives in Hong Kong,Taiwan,...i bet that would be like 100+ new teams in China, not just teams, but active teams who take cares of rookies...
So, make it goes like random,disable option to get nearby countries and problem is, more or less, solved.
Also, disabling B3 for second teams aint good idea.I dont know how fun can be when you meat semibot in B3,in competition where you should face the best teams?!By letting second teams get involved in B3, that would make domestic managers to invest more in their teams, not just tank over and over...
Its just my opinion,hopes some1 would look on it.
Regards.

One very important flaw has been brought up by Yellow Cake: secondary teams stealing top draft picks.

It's easy to get around it; local primary teams have pick advantage over secondary foreign teams. After all local teams got their pick in 1st round, than foreign teams are to pick, same for 2nd, and 3rd round.


Last edited by LA-Kasie K. at 1/13/2014 5:48:15 AM

I think the BBs need to explain the rules a bit more.

I don't know why would an experienced manager like Koperboy assume that you won't get a merchandising bonus??? Of course you're getting it. Heck, if you join a country where you'll feel attached to the community, you'll probably want to train players for that NT, and even on your team's expense, just like with normal teams. For example, I would feel completely like at home in Serbia. Maybe also Croatia and Bosnia, they have active communities, and are working together a lot.

When I think of it, maybe in USA as well. I'm a TWolves fan anyway, could create a team named Minnesota something. Then, micronations.

Where I probably wouldn't like to play or wouldn't feel any attachment are only some large nations like Poland, China, Italy, France, Spain etc. I would feel like I have nothing to look for there.

just create a new "neutral" league with all secondary teams divided to divisions. All teams will start at the same time so it will be fair enough. Smth like Private League. Winners will advance to higher league. At the beginning money from TV rights would be equal for premiere seasons.

Manager trade from one country to another is not a good idea. All was mentioned already so create a new playground for secondary teams. Global League, smth like B3 for the poor.

Draft issue: in neutral league you will draft a player of your natioanlity. For example. If i end the league at 16 place i will draft no1. Pole prospect. If my mate at possision 15 is a German guy his drafte will be German. This could resolve the problem of "murder" young hall of famer from neightboring countries.

Last edited by Sibik at 1/13/2014 6:12:48 AM

I don't know why would an experienced manager like Koperboy assume that you won't get a merchandising bonus??? Of course you're getting it

I understood it a bit differently: if I open my secondary team in USA, it still has a Slovenian flag to distinguish itself from others - since it's a foreign team. As such that team only gets merchandise boost from Slovenian NT players, but since a secondary team can't buy Slovenian players, no merch boost whatsoever.

If that' s not the case and secondary team indeed gets a merch boost from having local NT players, then my proposition is redundant.

@ Steve Karenn, and you're not a Supporter right? I rest my case...

And the cheating you're talking about is already happening, implementing secundairy teams is not going to change the amount of cheating. If you think so, then you already live in Utopia. Besides... they haven't programmed anything yet. My main concern is indeed wasting players that are or have the potential to be NT (-21) players. Instead of complaining, you can help them come with a solution to that problem.

And @Prezes, yes, this is also to generate more money for BB, can anyone blame them? More than half of the complaints we hear have to do with stuff the admins don't have the manpower for to solve. When they generate more money, it can lead to more manpower and thus improvements.

It`s not an advantage because we don´t get anything from it. It is usefull only to try different tactics! So I think it is rubbish because we don´t get any practicetime for our players... Second would nice and more even then if you can get practicetime to youngsters!

@ Steve Karenn, and you're not a Supporter right? I rest my case...

So what? This doesn't change anything about cheating issue. And yes, cheating yet exist, and secondary team will only amplify this pheonomenon, so instead of compaining with non-supporters for not agreeing with you and BB for such an awful idea, you can help with some solutions for that issue to make then eventually acceptable to introduce a secondary team

And waste potentially U21 players is a non-existing issue with introducing secondary teams; if anything micronations are only favoured by this feature. Having doubled teams in these nations means that even if some sabotage would eventually happen, the overall player pool available for these nations every season with the draft will drastically increase, since the guys that actually goes to bots team become available, included guys with high potential that were previosly lost forever...and if secondary teams are any kind of serious, likely the players with the highest potential would just be trained better because people can make tons of money from them of what it's actually done, meaning that the level of the NT of the secondary team nation would only increase

This is just ridiculous. There are other things that need fix.

For example:
The trainning method is broken...