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Again someone will have to be in the last place if that team is for example newly promoted, has small arena and spends all it's money to have competitive roster and fights to survive, but just doesn't succeeds why it has to be punished the same as tanking team. This is why BB asked what is tanking team, so that we omit teams that uses loses for strategic purposes or don't have intention to hoard large amounts of money and want to survive but still loses. IMO affecting tanking teams through fan survey would be a bad choice.

Last edited by Ghost Master at 6/3/2012 6:20:44 AM

if that team is for example newly promoted, has small arena and spends all it's money to have competitive roster

...then they aren't managing their team properly.

There is the promotion bonus to help teams that move up a division. Also, a part of the fan survey is for "last season". If a team promotes, they will score highly there. I don't think it's realistic to move up a division and to expect to do well in that division straight away. It should be something that you have to work up to.

If a team makes good decisions, they should be rewarded. If they make bad decisions, they should be penalised. The fan survey is a fundamental part of this.

There is the promotion bonus to help teams that move up a division.

Which they usually spend to expand their small arenas.

If they make bad decisions, they should be penalised.

No word about tanking, it's sounds like - penalise all losers there must tanking team amongst them :-)))

There is the promotion bonus to help teams that move up a division.

Which they usually spend to expand their small arenas.

If they make bad decisions, they should be penalised.

No word about tanking, it's sounds like - penalise all losers there must tanking team amongst them :-)))

They should be upgrading their arenas throughout the season in the lower div. Either that or they can save money throughout the season.

I don't think you're getting the idea, anyway. No one is suggesting that the manager who comes in last place receives no money, or next to no money. It's the managers who sell all their good players, and get consistently beaten by 30-60 throughout the season who need to be penalised. And this is fair enough. Who would want to go watch a game like that?

It's the managers who sell all their good players, and get consistently beaten by 30-60 throughout the season who need to be penalised. And this is fair enough. Who would want to go watch a game like that?

The guys who want to be a lucky fan, so that maybe they can get signed to a contract.

You???... Again!!!! :D

The game was made to let the manager make the decisions. Not to be penalized for doing somthing other owners don't like. I just tanked last season and it killed my bottom line with loss of attendance. At the end if that's the strategy they want to use because they think it will help them long term then let them use it. Who are you to tell them otherwise. You should be happy that they are giving you wins.

I haven't read the whole thread, but I also just want to say
STOP TANKING

A suggestion is to relate arena attendance not only to results but also ratings. If a team loses this way its home games (it's the Italian Serie A) (46120419), and does it several times in a row, its fan should be really pissed and not show up the next game, despite the promotion bonus!

The game was made to let the manager make the decisions. Not to be penalized for doing somthing other owners don't like. I just tanked last season and it killed my bottom line with loss of attendance. At the end if that's the strategy they want to use because they think it will help them long term then let them use it. Who are you to tell them otherwise. You should be happy that they are giving you wins.

I'm not happy to be the guys in the bottom league who received a tanker who have 10 times what I got. I know that my next three months will be a waste without any chance to promote.

The game was made a certain way, it's not a reason to say it has to stay as it is, especially if the BBs and not a random guy do not like that.

I'm not even religious, but Amen to that!!!

Phew... I just read through the entire thread and there are a couple of things that I have read that I like.

First: I want something to be done, because I've been a "victim" of Tankers. I don't blame them, the game allows them to use this strategy. Last season was a bit funny where one tanker who dropped from Div.1 into my league, was stopped by another tanker who came up from Div.III into my league. The III guy got promoted. Funny. And it shows that sometimes tankers need a long term strategy as well.

My definition of tanking :
Intentionally earning a lot of money (by any means) to be able to come back in much better shape next season.

My opinion on why this is bad :
It stops other teams (who do not tank) from being promoted or from staying in their Division

How to detect tanking teams:
Through the Fans. A team that tanks will have Fan repercussions. They will not show up anymore, no matter how low ticket prices have been set. They will not buy merchandise. They will not buy Season tickets.
We measure our fans through the Fan Survey. The Fan Survey currently does not stop tankers and it also does not (in my opinion) correctly represent the fans feelings.

Maybe we should open up a new Thread in the "Suggestions" Forum where we can debate how to improve the Fan Survey, while we continue discussing the great Tank Debate in this thread.

How to punish tanking teams:
I believe the fans will punish the tanking teams, but I also believe the comssioner will want to punish a tanking team because it takes away the commercial value of the whole league. So determining a Fine for a tanking team is fine with me (pun intended).
Let the GM's determine when to fine and what to fine. That'll be a good addition to their roles.
Maybe another thread in the suggestion Forum: "Fines for tanking"

Last edited by Airwin66 at 6/4/2012 2:01:52 PM