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I think at the moment, the best way for this player, will be to train hi's OD,and after that, some passing. After that, you will have a decent SF.
2 question: don't think so.
Just my humble opinion.

He is 20 years old right now and his OD is 1. Next week he will be 21.

At best, how many increases do you think you will get with him being 6'8" and 21 years old? Add that to his OD and it still is not that high compared to other SF's. You will find that in the higher leagues many PF's will have a pretty good outside shot as well so this type of player can even hurt as a PF at times if you dont watch your matchups

I would stay training to his ID/IS/Reb as what he has now is quite good. Dont waste time on his OD.

cws

i agree. i have a 21 sg right now who is 6'7'' and it takes him at minimum 3 weeks to pop with 2 position training for OD. i would just try and make him a good shooting pf. at that age and height training OD is pretty much a waste of time and resources.

i agree. i have a 21 sg right now who is 6'7'' and it takes him at minimum 3 weeks to pop with 2 position training for OD. i would just try and make him a good shooting pf. at that age and height training OD is pretty much a waste of time and resources.

in the higher leagues many PF's will have a pretty good outside shot as well

Are you saying JR is important for PFs? How many teams actually have PF's with a high JR skill? I don't think too many.
And again, how many 3 pointers will the PF usually take in a match? Take your team for example. Your two best PF's had total of 30 3FG attempts (one has 25 and the other 5) in the whole season! Or if we look at a team that usually plays outside offensive strategy - like the winner of your division (University Heights Rojos) - his PF's had 39 3FG attempts for the season.

And in the end, if he develops his IS, ID and RB to a wondrous+ level, sensational JS level, combined with the current tremendous DV and HN, this PF could make a big damage to opposing PF's with his individual unassisted plays. IMHO could be a leading scorer in a league.

not JR..he meant JS

Agreed, not many have high JR's at all.

The path you outlined is the best path, it does not waste time, IMHO, in training OD.

Are you saying JR is important for PFs? How many teams actually have PF's with a high JR skill? I don't think too many. And again, how many 3 pointers will the PF usually take in a match?

Well, that's debatable. But you've missed the key term in his post. That's higher leagues. I know you may argue now that his league (2nd US div.) can be taken as example of a higher league, but the real question is how to win this league, or, how to be competitive in NBBA. Can a PF with a good JR level help you do that? Sure it can. Sometimes in BB the difference between winning and losing is just 1 or 2 points. And always in a match you see that PF's take some 3 PT shots. Imagine if just one (only one) more of those shots was a good shot. And believe me, atrocious OD can't even match with awful JR, and most of the PF's now are awful+ JR. I had a PF (3094763) with strong JR and in season 8 he had 12-23 3 FG's !!! That season I was semifinalist in the playoffs in Macedonian I league and semifinalist in the Cup. In season 9 he had 12-35 3 FG's. I was in the semifinal playoff game again.

My opinion is that it is best if you have mediocre+ at the skills that are "not important" for the players - that includes:

C: DV, JR and OD
PF: OD and JR
SF: SB
SG: RB, SB and ID
PG: RB, SB and ID

Edit: These "not important" skills are still debatable. Someone will disagree with my "chart" but the key term here is my chart :)

And in the end, if he develops his IS, ID and RB to a wondrous+ level, sensational JS level, combined with the current tremendous DV and HN, this PF could make a big damage to opposing PF's with his individual unassisted plays. IMHO could be a leading scorer in a league.

I will post his averages after 2 seasons - when he is ready to be a starting PF, which might never be :P

Last edited by Onisifor at 3/22/2010 8:07:59 PM

JS without JR when shooting 3 FG's can't do much damage. My estimates are around up to 0.2 3FG percentage.
Here are the stats for my players (season 11)

Player 1: JS 13, JR 7 ......... 0.250 3FG (playing PG)
Player 2: JS 13, JR 8 ......... 0.417 3FG (playing SF)
Player 3: JS 9, JR 3 .......... 0.167 3FG (playing PF)
Player 4: Js 10, JR 10 ........ 0.365 3FG (playing SG)

(please post the 3FG averages for your players who have good JS with low JR for comparison; also post some of your good 3PT shooters)

And more, SB will be the skill directly opposing JS, and most of big guys have decent SB level.

I will give him 1 week OD training after all. I need 1-2 weeks in OD for one PG in my team and he will jump as a sub. It annoys me when I see atrocious :) Having pitiful will not help him much to become SF, but might be a tiny add to him in his PF role.

Actual contribution is not linear to the skill level difference. The performance difference between atrocious and pitiful is far more pronounced compared to colossal Vs. legendary. I made another chart :P which again, is not exact - it's more demonstrative:

1. atrocious ............. 100
2. pitiful .................. 200
3. awful .................. 290
4. inept ...................375
5. mediocre ............. 457
6. average .............. 532
7. respectable .......... 597
8. strong ................ 657
9. proficient ............. 712
10. prominent ............ 762
11. prolific ................ 807
12. sensational .......... 847
13. tremendous ......... 882
14. wondrous ............ 921
15. marvelous ........... 937
16. prodigious ........... 957
17. stupendous ......... 972
18. phenomenal ........ 982
19. colossal .............. 987
20. legendary ........... 1000

From this chart you can conclude that, in terms of performance, mediocre is not 5 times more than atrocious but 4,57. Stupendous is not a double of prodigious, it's only 1.02 times better.

So, in absolute value, do I get much from getting him to pitiful OD? Yes. By 100% more.
But in relative value, do I get much? No. I get 100% more from the atrocious level, which is not much. :P

So, out of this discussion one would think that I should definitely train him pressure cause it will make him a better player. Well, that's rubbish. I'm going to do that simply cause I can't stand looking at his atrocious skill level :) Nothing more.

I would stay training to his ID/IS/Reb as what he has now is quite good. Dont waste time on his OD.

After my desirable pitiful (lol) OD level, he will be nothing but training as C (ID/RB/IS). You're right, this player should play in the paint, and nothing more than that.

Last edited by Onisifor at 3/22/2010 9:50:07 PM