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Great job Ahmoi, it provides a rough but meaningful overview (innovative indeed).

Although salaries can be tricky, the range is somewhat relevant and can be a reasonable explicit indicator of potential.

Malaysia is dramatically below average of top6. Forgetting China, that is unreachable for all the world because a number of reasons, it is cliear that 150K range should be catched to compete at top in Asia, while 200K is the minimum to enter WW élite.

Frankly, according to footprint, I expect HK declining over time, while Philippines are not sustained (were?) by a "crazy salary" approach to players development. Still frankly, I don't expect Malaysia to enter 150K range by these two seasons.

As discussed in electoral campaign, I am convinced that the priority would be to increase average 21yrs old players skills having their salaries raising at 100-120K range by end of this mandate, to jump up to 150K next one. How? Solid training planning and execution; application of monorole golden rule; a lot of pressure of key players managers.

Thanks for the appreciation.

The 150K and 200K salary range you mentioned about to challenge top teams in Asia and WC respectively may be true at this point of time. But even if (which is a BIG if) we managed to achieve that in the future, I'd believe the salary range entry point will also be increased by then (by how much, I don't know).

The only way I think we can catch up with the big boys is a dramatic increase of super young Malaysian players over a few years' span, and coupled with the dramatic downfall (or stagnancy of improvement) of some top countries, which I doubt will happen. However, China was once a relatively light-weight in the World stage, but look at them now!

Good shout about the importance of increasing our U21 players' salary range average and about the training planning. That's the way to go for us to ever consider ourselves in the future as World's élite!

wah nice stat

china quite crazy... but i always see nice china players on market... so far no real nice malaysian = =

Thanks for the appreciation.

The 150K and 200K salary range you mentioned about to challenge top teams in Asia and WC respectively may be true at this point of time. But even if (which is a BIG if) we managed to achieve that in the future, I'd believe the salary range entry point will also be increased by then (by how much, I don't know).

The only way I think we can catch up with the big boys is a dramatic increase of super young Malaysian players over a few years' span, and coupled with the dramatic downfall (or stagnancy of improvement) of some top countries, which I doubt will happen. However, China was once a relatively light-weight in the World stage, but look at them now!

Good shout about the importance of increasing our U21 players' salary range average and about the training planning. That's the way to go for us to ever consider ourselves in the future as World's élite!

Salary range cannot increase so much. The reason is it is capped by starting skills, age, and trainer level. At this moment, I can tell you Italy pushes a lot its players, so no much room above. You can do a bit better with trainer, but to me you can have more by well developing skills and team instead of having superpaid players (although of course that can increase a bit). For instance, it is hard to have a team (but China) having 10 players, 2 per role, at top level. It is a far problem to Malaysia at this moment anyway

I am a bit less pessimistic on the second highligted point. It is most up to your good performances than to others' bad. It is hard to hit a high cap, as you need a good bucket of drafted talents (you have enough managers to have not so many, but a decent number of), a solid planning and execution of training avoiding lost talents (by bad training or lost managers), some luck (2 injuries x 3 weeks each and your talent will never be a top talent, to U21 at least). Easy? Definitely NOT. You need a lot of energy, solid method, good tools, fine scouts, solid management and coaching of all of them.

However, I want to repeat that you can improve a lot your current capabilities. Timeframe is two mandates, but first results are visible after first season, when you can compare current with former players, and look at talents pipeline.

Till an U21 (as my poor South Africa, with its 10-12 managers...) have room to include 20 yrs old player in the roster, it will have a lot of room to improve (as one season or 14 monorole trainings!!!).

Actually I have an idea which require cooperation from a number of team.

Just an opinion.

It might works because not many people from a country is willing to sacrifice their team ranking for their country, if Malaysia have 15 or more player to cooperate, it'll definitely works.

I don't know the right way to explain it so I'll put it on a listed form on what should each of the team have to do:-
-Focus on training monorole on an at least mvp potential player, two if you are willing to maintain NT roster as player will age in BB.
-Maintain a world-renowned trainer(the small difference of world-renowned and exceptional is the difference that determines the 1st and 2nd place)(don't have to be with the fitness specialty until the trainee is ready for match)(its not hard maintaining a world-renowned trainer, I'm already maintaining one which is 110k salary, it only require 450k to win the bids, if the 100k is use for a player, it might help you win a team which use it for a staff, thats why I'm saying sacrificing team ranking)
-Maintain a world-renowned doctor with taping injury to minimise injury percentage as much as possible(I use only 16k to win a bid of one with 22k salary)

Thats all on a suggested routine but it might be hard because the mentioned staff won't be sufficient if many country is using the same tactic, and there are team out there which is doing the same with me.

Of course there are other factor which I did not notice but above is all I have to say on routine.

Just a reminder, a strong and a proficient gameshape really make a huge difference.

Last edited by Vandar at 11/9/2010 3:23:32 PM

Actually I have an idea which require cooperation from a number of team.

Just an opinion.

It might works because not many people from a country is willing to sacrifice their team ranking for their country, if Malaysia have 15 or more player to cooperate, it'll definitely works.

I don't know the right way to explain it so I'll put it on a listed form on what should each of the team have to do:-
-Focus on training monorole on an at least mvp potential player, two if you are willing to maintain NT roster as player will age in BB.
-Maintain a world-renowned trainer(the small difference of world-renowned and exceptional is the difference that determines the 1st and 2nd place)(don't have to be with the fitness specialty until the trainee is ready for match)(its not hard maintaining a world-renowned trainer, I'm already maintaining one which is 110k salary, it only require 450k to win the bids, if the 100k is use for a player, it might help you win a team which use it for a staff, thats why I'm saying sacrificing team ranking)
-Maintain a world-renowned doctor with taping injury to minimise injury percentage as much as possible(I use only 16k to win a bid of one with 22k salary)

Thats all on a suggested routine but it might be hard because the mentioned staff won't be sufficient if many country is using the same tactic, and there are team out there which is doing the same with me.

Of course there are other factor which I did not notice but above is all I have to say on routine.

Just a reminder, a strong and a proficient gameshape really make a huge difference.

It is basically a good suggestion to do a quantum leap of Malaysia NT and U21.

However, you can be less radical whilst taking same result. Let me add a couple of considerations.
1) training monorole you don't sacrifice your team. You IMPROVE your team. Apart of this season, when fighting against a drama requires tough choices, I trained monorole over 8 seasons with a lot of satisfactions, in terms of improved players, cash flow, and results. Without monorole training, I probably would navigate in mid-III. Birole should be applied only under three possible conditions: a) your minutes are a mess - fouled out players or injuries can waste a perfect plan; b) it is a birole training (JS, RB); or c) you are in a very specific condition as mine: rebuilding a team after a promotion in a tough series, where you have to dramatically increase your performances (see this season and last season evaluations of my Mice!).

Monorole is good for all - apart of your opponents

2) a level 5-6-7 trainers is a luxury. If you can, it's great. If you cannot, you can train a top class player with a level 4 trainer. Differences are a couple of pops (including secondaries) per season. So I would recommend a level 5+ trainers only under two possible status: a) you want to take all potential out of your player before aging 24-25 (and you have enough cash to pay wage), or b) you must accelerate his growth because he needs to fill some gap (he started with some bad primary). I trained Scalambrieri with level 4 trainers, he is among top Italian PG's and hit potential. See his average evaluation (scoring depends on team's performances and tactics however).

a strong and a proficient gameshape really make a huge difference.

training monorole you don't sacrifice your team

I mean, not sacrifice the team, its the team rating of competing with those who use the 100k on a player instead of paying for staff. Some people have the great will of being number one for the country.

I think that team with an extra player of 100k will be better than a similar team which has only a faster training rate instead of having an extra 100k player.

I think among all of your suggested purposes, this is the one

b) you must accelerate his growth

In order to compete with elite NT,

I reply in a rush, I'm late, if theres anything I missed or misunderstood, wait for my return for a better reply.

Last edited by Vandar at 11/9/2010 5:33:45 PM

I think that team with an extra player of 100k will be better than a similar team which has only a faster training rate instead of having an extra 100k player.

I think among all of your suggested purposes, this is the one

b) you must accelerate his growth

In order to compete with elite NT,

I reply in a rush, I'm late, if theres anything I missed or misunderstood, wait for my return for a better reply.

I agree with your assertion. This season I had to review some training program (simply shifting to less visionary but more pragmatic birole JS already skilled elsewhere, but in the future I will be back on my track), to add a 120K$ Center.

I will wait for better reply, don't worry, time to sleep to me too!

I think no problem with my previous reply, its about the 100k++ for staff instead of a player.

I think no problem with my previous reply, its about the 100k++ for staff instead of a player.

Funding 100K for a staff instead of a player is actually a short term thing.

If you look at it long term, if the rate of skills increasing is increased then it is actually faster for players to reach $100K salary. So in the end (after 3-4 seasons), you will not only need to fund a 100K staff but also a 100K player.
And if we want to aim for the stars, target should be 200K for the players. So ultimately it will be 200K for player and 100K for trainer if using your strategy.

Ultimately it depends on the objective. If the objective is only to improve the U21 team, then yes, having the highest level trainer will definitely have a huge impact.
But if the objective is to improve the Senior NT team, then having the level of trainer above level 5 is not as huge impact as there is no age limit for NT so you just need to train extra few weeks with Superior trainer compared to training with a World Renown trainer.