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One thing I should have mentioned is that the greasemonkey portion of the script will probably only work if you're language is set to english (US). We'll work on resolving this, but for now unfortunately I think we're stuck with it.

That's cool. About few days ago in our Brainiac fed we have discussed the training analysis based on DMI changing for players keeping GS 9. In this case the DMI changes only due to the skill-ups and is not affected by GS.

Btw.

Because of this, depending on how many supporters participate, we may be able to start getting some of the analysis in place pretty quickly

If the supporters changed the coach some time ago - then the script will send the data with the current coach level, but not with the one that was before. Right? That may lead to some incorrect results, so it's better not to send the data of trainings with the previous coach.

P.s. Training histry doesn't show any results for me. Chrome 15. English US is set.

Last edited by alexFerguson at 12/3/2011 5:33:32 PM

That's cool. About few days ago in our Brainiac fed we have discussed the training analysis based on DMI changing for players keeping GS 9. In this case the DMI changes only due to the skill-ups and is not affected by GS.

Yup, it's tracking both DMI and GS to make this possible. I'm not totally sold on the idea yet (comparing across players will be difficult given the relationship of DMI to various skills, etc), but that's one of the reasons I mentioned about making the data available to anyone who has ideas on how best to analyze it.

If the supporters changed the coach some time ago - then the script will send the data with the current coach level, but not with the one that was before. Right? That may lead to some incorrect results, so it's better not to send the data of trainings with the previous coach.

Yup, this is an unavoidable problem. In the meantime, anyone who wants to add old data and remembers when or about when they changed trainers can just bb-mail me and i'll fix it manually in the database.

Last edited by wozzvt at 12/3/2011 5:36:35 PM

Do you have some data protection policy for non-US NT players? If not, would you consider making one?

Hi Josef,

This is of course a concern with anything that uses the bbapi (buzzer-manager, etc), and all I can really do is promise that identifiable data certainly won't be shared in any way. In fact, even for the US version of this that we've been using we keep the data quite separate from our NT databases so that users can access this feature independently of whether their players are being tracked for NT purposes. I am the only one that has access to the database itself, and only venture in as far as is necessary to track down bugs.

As for the data-sharing portion of this project, skills themselves will never be shared. At some point we will be interested in looking at things like the "elastic effects" which require skills, but in these cases, the skills themselves will never be shared. I may look into whether certain summary statistics (mean/standard deviation across skills, etc) can be shared, but this will only happen if it can really be done without identifying the player. If this can't be done, I'll limit it to analyses that I run, and if people want to try out new analyses, they can do it through me.

As for a specific policy regarding non-US NT players, they get treated like everyone else. I don't want to exclude them because high skill players are going to be important for tracking down some aspects of training (and because we can't tell they're NT players through the bbapi). Their data certainly won't be shared, but that applies to all players, not just NTers.

I completely understand that not everyone will want to participate because of this though.

I think this project is a great idea!

Looks interesting I'm in.

Thanks to all those who have joined so far! If you haven't participated, you still can! Just head to (http://bb-training.comuf.com/)

We've already collected 441 weeks of training data, which when combined with what we have from the US database is starting to produce some good results.

I've added a link that takes you to an "Analysis" overview page, outlining the different results we're getting, and provides access to the raw data. For now, I've put up a basic "training speed analysis", which basically replicates the old thread here in BB-Global, but with more data and (hopefully) more accurate speed estimates. It will also update automatically as more data is added, so the estimates will continue to be refined. And you can specify an age range to look at, so you can set 18-25 to get a sense of relative speeds based on a very large sample, or set it to 18-18 to get a specific data point, but with potential small sample size issues (for now!).

As a teaser to those still on the fence, here are the training rates for JS Wingman training, based on players aged 18-25.

JS: 0.4
JR: 0.1
Hnd: 0.05
Drv: 0.03
IS: 0 (!)

And 1v1 for Forwards:
JS: 0.14
Hnd: 0.35
Drv: 0.39
IS: 0.18

And if you've ever wondered how those Hnd/Drv rates compare to 1v1 for Guards, you can see that as well.

If this looks like data you'd be interested in, join in! The more data we get, the better the quality of results will be. It's available to everyone who's added at least 2 weeks of training data, which should be everyone who's participated.

Great stuff as expected ! Some very surprising results for HN and DRV as secondaries despite what looks like a reasonable sample. It really seems way off.

But an awesome tool that will quickly help to solve those little mysteries and dirty secrets :)
Thank you !


edit : I want to add that more date is needed. Supporters, sign up !

Last edited by Manouche at 12/6/2011 12:18:37 PM

Once the GM script is installed, go to the BB Training History page. You should see a button called "Send to BB-Training" along with each entry. Click each one and wait for the pop-up acknowdledging that the info was sent.

I can't get through this step. I couldn't not find a "Send to BB-Training" button.

Last edited by WFUnDina at 12/6/2011 1:42:11 PM