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236301.2 in reply to 236301.1
Date: 2/20/2013 6:07:14 PM
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best counter to patient, is M2M. Or, you could create a mismatch you like, such as putting a 3pt shooter at C, and then running a 3pt shooting offense....


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Date: 2/21/2013 1:49:20 AM
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Wouldnt that make my defense and rebounding crappy? I cannot see a situation where that would be the best option.

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236301.4 in reply to 236301.3
Date: 2/21/2013 2:40:45 AM
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Run N Gun or motion must be good against your opponent. His od is not that high. Make sure your best defenders defend his scorers.

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236301.6 in reply to 236301.5
Date: 2/21/2013 3:17:51 AM
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All of my starters can play some defense. His main scorer is outside so i guess i will run the 3-2. And did u see how old all of his players are? =) Thx for your guys' help. And hope to be in DiV III next season.

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236301.7 in reply to 236301.3
Date: 2/21/2013 8:14:10 AM
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Manon beat me to it.
I apologize my explanations while I am at work are short and to the point and not detailed out.
Hopefully though you are now able to see a situation where that could be a better option offensively for you. My last game in particular my C was defending PF because my playoff opponents best offensive player plays pf but my pf really functions better at pf than c I feel but defensively wasn't the best option.

The defensive switches option down there, personally I feel they are more geared for strategy and winning, than for out of position training.

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236301.9 in reply to 236301.2
Date: 2/21/2013 12:41:19 PM
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Wouldn't a 3-2 zone be better (if you have the right players) to defend against Patient, especially if the opponent uses the strategy of playing a 3pt shooter at C? That way you're sure you're best outside defenders actually defend the outside, instead of having your C defend the perimeter.

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236301.11 in reply to 236301.9
Date: 2/21/2013 1:10:38 PM
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Wouldn't a 3-2 zone be better (if you have the right players) to defend against Patient, especially if the opponent uses the strategy of playing a 3pt shooter at C? That way you're sure you're best outside defenders actually defend the outside, instead of having your C defend the perimeter.



Patient offense is used to exploit the best mismatch you have vs the other team, period.

When one plays a zone, the player on offense shoots (usually) against the weakest defender in the zone. So in a 3-2 the inside guy with lower ID gets shot on more, the Outside guy with lower OD gets shot on more. As a result, if they are out of their league, they tend to foul more, and foul out quicker, thus putting in your bench players, whom are even worse defensively.

By playing man to man, not only do you know whom is guarding whom and who will shoot etc. but there are no surprises on who the opposition has that will be shooting/attempting to score on you. Doing it in this such manner, makes it predictable, and easier to counter.

Also, just because my PG is playing C and shooting 3s... doesn't mean my PG isn't playing PG...

Personally I think Patient offense is a choice you make when you are tanking, or trying to win an mvp award.

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Date: 2/21/2013 3:02:12 PM
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Wouldn't a 3-2 zone be better (if you have the right players) to defend against Patient, especially if the opponent uses the strategy of playing a 3pt shooter at C? That way you're sure you're best outside defenders actually defend the outside, instead of having your C defend the perimeter.



Patient offense is used to exploit the best mismatch you have vs the other team, period.

When one plays a zone, the player on offense shoots (usually) against the weakest defender in the zone. So in a 3-2 the inside guy with lower ID gets shot on more, the Outside guy with lower OD gets shot on more. As a result, if they are out of their league, they tend to foul more, and foul out quicker, thus putting in your bench players, whom are even worse defensively.

By playing man to man, not only do you know whom is guarding whom and who will shoot etc. but there are no surprises on who the opposition has that will be shooting/attempting to score on you. Doing it in this such manner, makes it predictable, and easier to counter.

Also, just because my PG is playing C and shooting 3s... doesn't mean my PG isn't playing PG...

Personally I think Patient offense is a choice you make when you are tanking, or trying to win an mvp award.


And if you're going against someone with a shooting guard at C, would you rather have the weakest of your PG - SG - SF guarding him or your C? Obviously if the opponent exclusively plays it with the player at a specific position, matching up man to man and having the right person guard him is quite possible. But if there's any doubt at all what position he'd put the guy in, the odds are much better going with the 3-2 and not allowing him to have an easy shot over the wrong defender every game. The typical caveats about a 3-2 being a bad decision if you can only field two guys with good OD and all that still apply.

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