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Regarding Points per 100 shots:

It has been known (I think BB-Marin has confirmed it) that Free Throws are not taken into account when it comes to P.P. 100.

Take a look at this game:

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The C of away team took no shots (actually he took 3 shots that led to shooting fouls). So P.P. 100 should be zero (0). However it's 51.2, meaning that either the FTs are in P.P. 100 or the shooting fouls should be considered as actual shots.

Any thoughts?

I know that, but if a player has 0 shots, like the example above, he should have 0 PP100, because there is nothing to calculate. The C has zero shots, but 51.2 PP100. How is this possible?

All I'm asking is whether the FT or shoots that result in shooting fouls are taken into account when PP100 are calculated...

As to hrudey's explanation, it's hard to accept without official verification.
Mainly because pp100s relate to the game's attempted shots. They should.
After taking into account all the conditions these shots were taken under, then the GE should calculate the equivalent points in 100 similar shots.
Otherwise, what does it calculate? How many points we would get a hundred times a player touched the ball or had the ball and was facing the basket etc? It doesn't make sense.
The rating is points per 100 shots(similar to those taken in the game). If there are no shots, there should be no pp100.

For games played during season 3 and later, we have replaced this with the more comprehensive matchup ratings. The matchup rating represents the number of points that players at a given position would have scored, on average, if they were to take 100 shots. A higher number is indicative of better scoring opportunities at that position over the course of the game, and of course you should try to take full advantage of your strength when selecting your tactics. Since tactics can be very complicated, you should ask your fellow players in the Forums what they have learned, because they can tell you a lot more from their own experience than we can in a brief description of the engine. Good luck!

Go through any number of games you like, look at the number of points scored and the number of PP100 predicted for players who attempted zero free throws, and then see how many times that the PP100 is exactly equal to points divided by shots multiplied by 100. It will be exceedingly rare for that to be the case, because that's not at all what it is measuring. If that were the case, they'd have it down in the stat line with steals, points, blocked shots, etc. Instead, it's up with the team ratings, which are also abstract calculations by the engine that are not direct results of what happened in the game, but instead a tool to evaluate how your team performed.

Go through any number of games you like, look at the number of points scored and the number of PP100 predicted for players who attempted zero free throws, and then see how many times that the PP100 is exactly equal to points divided by shots multiplied by 100. It will be exceedingly rare for that to be the case, because that's not at all what it is measuring. If that were the case, they'd have it down in the stat line with steals, points, blocked shots, etc. Instead, it's up with the team ratings, which are also abstract calculations by the engine that are not direct results of what happened in the game, but instead a tool to evaluate how your team performed.

Υοu've lost me there.
I've done the calculations with FTs included as attempts( 2fts= 1AFG), i was getting way off the mark(final score or points scored per position).
After ΒΒ-Μarin's clarification i excluded free throws, was still getting as you say too, big inconsistancies.
But i can't pinpoint where exactly you disagree with me.

The team ratings can be calculated. It is stated they have nothing to do with the opponent, only our players skillsets, game shapes, enthousiasm, location and lately GPD prediction.

As to hrudey's explanation, it's hard to accept without official verification.
Mainly because pp100s relate to the game's attempted shots. They should.
After taking into account all the conditions these shots were taken under, then the GE should calculate the equivalent points in 100 similar shots.
Otherwise, what does it calculate? How many points we would get a hundred times a player touched the ball or had the ball and was facing the basket etc? It doesn't make sense.
The rating is points per 100 shots(similar to those taken in the game). If there are no shots, there should be no pp100.