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I'm an old school guy, I love the system I played with years and years.

Once upon a time you had to be the best team to promote.

Jesus, someone must be in a festive mood to vote for option 3 already

If a poll falls in the forest and the BBs aren't interested, will it still make a sound?

Better than Foto continuing to find a million excuses not to make one, right?

If the BBs or EGMs feel like creating their own official thread because they want to give it more weight or think my poll is biased, they are welcome to lock this thread and redirect to an official one. I'd support this initiative by them, it just didn't look like it was going to happen.

I have mixed feelings about the new system. The thing I like is that teams will have to try more in order to be safe. There are so many top league teams that just bring enough season after season in order to just stay up there. Guess that goes for most divisions though, but it gets put on the edge in the highest divisions.

Well said mate, I like the demoting system too, you must compete harder to stay in the league, but then when I think that every season there will be 6 new teams in 1st league, that's a bit too much for me. In one hand I like it, in the other I dont, you said the right words, my feelings are mixed.

Like I said in the other post, before a poll I'd like to see more clarity than we saw in the news post. Its still not clear whether promotion bonuses will be given to all teams. I'd like to assume the BBs don't expect teams to go up and not get on but its difficult to assume anything and I can't get an answer to even simple questions. Then we could consider properly whether adding so much money to the system is a good idea or not.

I'd also like to know why the BBs even came up with such an idea that I've never seen discussed anywhere before. But then it would be easier to find out who shot Kennedy than to get a response from a BB.

here we go with the yo-yo strategy! XD

Guys, I agree with you. it's definitely possible to accumulate funds in the higher league (by staying at the salary floor and winning a few games), demote and spend part of the funds to promote again thereby accumulating assets over time.

Even worse would be a team winning a lot of away games end in the relegation playouts (new proposal you can do that as 5th) and then losing on purpose. I guarantee such a team with promotion bonus would make a ton of money while in the higher league and still have a extremely good roster when they demote. As payrolls are reducing across the board you could try to do this with relatively low salary.

For weaker yo-yo teams boycott rules may kick in, but I doubt someone shrewd enough to do this as a strategy would not work around the boycott rules as currently constructed...

Last edited by Lemonshine at 1/1/2017 8:12:23 AM

I'd like to assume the BBs don't expect teams to go up and not get on but its difficult to assume anything and I can't get an answer to even simple questions. Then we could consider properly whether adding so much money to the system is a good idea or not.

Well Gully that's how it works in Utopia: you promote you get the cash prize. Whether you win the playoffs or bot promote will have an impact on the next season's gate receipts, but you still get a bonus in all cases, even if reduced.

Since Utopia is clearly mentioned in the post, I think it's safe to assume it works the same way.

I'd also like to know why the BBs even came up with such an idea that I've never seen discussed anywhere before.

I think some of them mentioned somewhere they were considering extending the Utopia system, but since the reactions had always been generally negative I didn't think they'd just go ahead and announce it without addressing the concerns. Yeah that seems even worse than usual.

DISCLAIMER FOR EVERYONE: I don't care how this ends up being implemented. I think the concerns about extra cash are legitimate and evident. If you forced me to vote (which I haven't), I'd probably go for one of the top 2 options, but I'm also against promoting people who don't win in the playoffs. I also proposed that playoffs are not based on conference as the NBA is currently considering changing to: if you change the playoffs like this which is fairer, then you can just promote the better losers in the finals (so the defeated teams with the better record) instead of bot promoting the guys with the best regular season record. This also for Utopia where the system already promotes 50% extra teams.

Last edited by Lemonshine at 1/1/2017 8:29:09 AM