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Raptors @ Spurs (12/20/08)

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65094.2 in reply to 65094.1
Date: 12/20/2008 2:26:40 PM
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So with that in mind, we are predicting that San Antonio is likely to beat Toronto handily, winning by 15 points or more 65% of the time, and by an average score of 102-84(http://www.buzzerbeater.com/BBWeb/reportmatch.aspx?MatchI...). Applying the “veteran team” correction we just discussed means that a final score of 102-89 might be a better prediction. Tony Parker has an excellent game in our simulations, who scores 25 or more 60% of the time, while shooting 56% from the field and handing out 6 assists. Manu Ginobli's scoring varies a considerable amount, as on average he scores 20 points but is under 10 points in over a quarter of our simulations, so he is a good wildcard if your fantasy team is an underdog, but a risk if you are favored. We think Tim Duncan will have a slightly below average night, scoring under 20 points 74% of the time, though he is likely to rebound well. The top fantasy prospect for Toronto is Jose Calderon, who scores more than 20 points in nearly half the simulations while shooting 35% from 3 and handing out 9 assists. Chris Bosh on the other hand is a Raptor we expect to have a below average night, scoring unde than 20 82% of the time. From a team perspective, a large factor will be in rebounding, where we expect San Antonio to have nearly a 10 rebound advantage over Toronto. Finally, as always these numbers depend upon how our computerized coach uses each team, which might not be the same way that Gregg Popovich or Jay Triano will use them.

Our computerized coach recommends that Triano make more use of Jamario Moon more than the Raptors usually do. In those games in which Toronto does pull out a win, Moon averages 17 points, instead of his normal 7. Also, he should really emphasize the importance of rebounding and sharing the basketball, because in simulations in which Toronto wins they keep the rebounding statistics even, and average 6 more assists per game than San Antonio. Since the Spurs are winning in nearly every simulation, we don't have any great tips for Gregg Popovich, but then again, he has four more championship rings than the entire BuzzerBeater staff combined so he probably doesn't need much help. When the Spurs lose, they typically shoot poorly and fail to gain a rebounding edge.

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65094.3 in reply to 65094.1
Date: 12/20/2008 5:42:40 PM
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I saw Bosh with 0 FT attempts and thought "no freakin' way". So I took a look, and the last time that happened for him... @SA, about this time last year: (http://beta.espn.go.com/nba/boxscore?gameId=271228024). So maybe you're on to something.

BTW, certain Italian fans are going to say you're still using Smitch as your Raptor coach model, with Bargnani only getting 12 minutes.

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65094.4 in reply to 65094.2
Date: 12/20/2008 6:49:57 PM
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nice prediction,
i have a question
in the simulated matchs you put determinated skills in the players
but you use similar form for everyone? or you see the performance at this time and put the form to the player?

bad english 8-)


pd: skills of manu ginobilli please :)
footwork: legendary :P (?)

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65094.5 in reply to 65094.4
Date: 12/21/2008 1:55:07 AM
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Handling: Insanely Disturbing Ü

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65094.6 in reply to 65094.4
Date: 12/21/2008 2:04:33 AM
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manu ginobilli

Jump Shot: sensational Jump Range: proficient
Outside Def.: proficient Handling: proficient
Driving: prodigious Passing: tremendous
Inside Shot: proficient Inside Def.: average
Rebounding: average Shot Blocking: pitiful
Stamina: respectable Free Throw: phenomenal

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65094.7 in reply to 65094.6
Date: 12/21/2008 10:22:32 AM
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How about Duncan and Parker?


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65094.8 in reply to 65094.6
Date: 12/21/2008 10:56:28 AM
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I'll assume his flopping ability is modelled as a hidden ability like physicality.

So everyone wants to see the stars. Boring! How about someone like Matt Bonner?

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65094.9 in reply to 65094.6
Date: 12/21/2008 11:47:00 AM
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manu ginobilli

Jump Shot: sensational Jump Range: proficient
Outside Def.: proficient Handling: proficient
Driving: prodigious Passing: tremendous
Inside Shot: proficient Inside Def.: average
Rebounding: average Shot Blocking: pitiful
Stamina: respectable Free Throw: phenomenal

From a your previous post:
In my most recent version Lebron was...

Jump Shot: prominent Jump Range: awful
Outside Def.: strong Handling: prominent
Driving: legendary Passing: prodigious
Inside Shot: prolific Inside Def.: proficient
Rebounding: respectable Shot Blocking: mediocre
Stamina: respectable Free Throw: prominent

Experience: legendary



Ginboili is stronger than lebron????and lebron's shot blocking is only mediocre?

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65094.10 in reply to 65094.9
Date: 12/21/2008 12:14:57 PM
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stronger in what sense?

lebron is better than ginobli at driving and finishing around the rim... but ginobli is the better pure jump shooter.. and definitely the better 3 point shooter. (for the record, manu is shooting 40% from 3 this year, lebron 27%)

hmm.. shot blocking you might have a point.. i think i moduled that based upon position.. and so lebron got a lower ratings because he is a 3.. but upon reflection that doesnt really make a lot of sense.

Last edited by BB-Forrest at 12/21/2008 12:16:50 PM

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65094.11 in reply to 65094.2
Date: 12/21/2008 1:01:55 PM
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So.. how did we do...

Prediction: Parker big game... 25 or more 60%, ~6 assists
Result: Parker 25 points, 10 assists, 8 boards
Check

Prediction: Manu... average night, but highly variable 20+/-8 points
Result: Manu 13 points
Check, but not really a strong prediction

Prediction: Duncan.. slightly under average scoring <20, solid rebounding
Result: 19 points, 7 boards
Check!

Prediction: Calderon leading Raptor, average around 20
Result: 16 points on 7-12 shooting
Hm... why didn't he shoot more he was having a good night, I'd say we missed this one slightly

Prediction: Chris Bosh below average night, <20 points
Result: Bosh 17 points on 6-14 shooting
Check

Prediction: Spurs win the rebounding battle by ~10
Result: Spurs win the rebounding battle by 10
Check!

Other notables..

Jermaine O'neal with a big night... we didn't predict this at all... i'd have to go back and look to see how rare this sort of performance was from the big fella.

My Ex-AAU teammate Matt Bonner going 4-7 from 3! I keep telling Charles this guy is good...

All in all I am very pleased.

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65094.12 in reply to 65094.10
Date: 12/21/2008 1:42:36 PM
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uhm...i agree about skills you gave to this two player(except for lebron's shot blocking and inside shot which i think you hane underrated) but in BB i have noticed that jump shot and outside defence gave an higher advantage that handling and driving,so it seems that ginobili is at same level or stronger than lebron,if it wasn't for the inside defence

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