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Though one thing I noticed is that your ranking only goes up when you beat a team better than you. The reason there is emphasis on the cup is because there is more of an opportunity for weaker teams to play the strong teams. Once you get to division 3 and are consistently beating teams ranked higher than you, you will see your ranking go up very rapidly. Conversely, if you are stuck in div 4 and constantly playing and beating teams lower than you, your ranking will not rise.

the most valuable and fair way , is something like point system....
the last season games , or the last 30 games...
one formula like that :

division game= point diference * 1
cup game = point diference * 2
bb3 game = point difference * 10

also , the division could be a part of this formula , by the way of one additional
like : division game= point diference * 1* division point
division point could be in this way : how many categories the country has , etc 6
I->6
II->5
III->4
IV->3
V->2
VI->1

and all this stuff could uploaded , at bbstats , to be more close to users to see....

Won't a BB answer to this topic ?

I am sure that it might be improved and that the discussion might very interesting if we had an answer from you.

Cup seems to be quite important for national rankings.
Can we have confirmations ?

Cup is far too important in my opinion. A lucky cup draw means your country ranking sky rockets.

Asking for a BB to comment won't make them comment. The BB's will generally stay out of a discussion because when they do comment they greatly change the flow. They do read everything and if they think a comment will be beneficial they will step in. Please keep your input productive and on track with the discussion.

I never imagined that trying to discuss respectfully about one point of the game would not be considered as productive, and whether after searching and reading topics about rankings, trying to obtain more details about a suggestion thread where I agree with previous posts would not be seen as on track with the conversation
There is no irony here. I've always tried to be positive in my posts, and I'm a bit sad with your reply.

Well, some suggestions, that might be not productive as we have no clue on the way it works now :

1) Cup seems too important in the calculation.
How about considering that importance of last championship would be more important, that cup one would be less important in a proportional relationship (90/10) ?

Last season, to give an example, the 64th en France fell to 104th place because he lost against a weaker team.

2) this leads us to another point :
Why not adding the gap of ranking between the loser and the winner in the calculation as a coefficient ?
It would make the system more rational.

This would lead to a system like the one Antil11 talked about juste before in this thread.

This might be scaled also by the fact whether we lose/win in the first turn or later during the cup.

Last edited by Dunker Joe at 7/7/2010 4:32:12 PM

I never imagined that trying to discuss respectfully about one point of the game would not be considered as productive, and whether after searching and reading topics about rankings, trying to obtain more details about a suggestion thread where I agree with previous posts would not be seen as on track with the conversation :/
There is no irony here. I've always tried to be positive in my posts, and I'm a bit sad with your reply.

My comment about staying on track was specifically directed at you asking for the BB's to comment. If they deem it necessary to comment they will jump in. In the past when they have stepped in it has drastically changed the flow of the conversation and disrupted the productivity of seeing what BB members are actually thinking. They try to be very careful about what they say and what they promise.

as we have no clue on the way it works now :

We have no clue about how a lot of the game works thats what makes BB so much fun. If we understood everything everyone would have great teams.

We have no clue about how a lot of the game works thats what makes BB so much fun. If we understood everything everyone would have great teams.

Efforts and patience often make the difference. Not only knowledge.
What is enhanced by the fact of adaptating oneself and anticipating for the frequent changes done by the staff.
This is the reason why even great teams can stop.

We are not talking about knowing everything but to know if at least some parts of suggestions done by the manager are already used or not. What it would make much less frustrating the animation of the suggestion forum, and would help managers to be more interested about participating to it.

That's all for it. I just wanted to precise this part.

Anyway rankings are not a top secret necessity to the game. It is just an indicator that might be clearly improved.
Of course, it is not a priority to the BBs.
Well that's more a reason than anything to let managers think about it, with some replies from time to time to what they propose.



Last edited by Dunker Joe at 7/7/2010 6:06:52 PM

Thanks for your answer Charles
I'm sure that it will help managers here having interesting suggestions.

Well, put in that way, I agree in most of the parts with you.

Just one point, where I wish there will be other points of view :
As you said it here

Are tournament games weighted more heavily? Yes, tournament games are more important than league games. Yes again, because this is evidenced by teams later in the tournament who have three games to navigate during a given week typically putting the most effort and the best lineup into their cup game.

It is mainly true later in the cup.
To come back to the example I gave formerly, last season, the 64th french fell back to 104th whereas he lost in the first turn against a weaker team that played with full strenght.

Anyway, now, I tend to think that effectively, if the gap between teams (based on the rankings :p) is taken into account, then the importance of the turn should also be considered for the calculation.

I mean, that gap between teams should perhaps be considered as less important later in the game than in the beginning.
I mean, that IRL a weaker team doing a great walkthrough will be considered as much more dangerous than in the beginnning.
And whether, in the same time, his ranking would increase more and more as it is going further in the cup

By this way, it would also reduce the gap between teams going further in cup, what would help diminishing the importance of the cup. Less comparison possible between teams that are not in the same division or tournaments yes, this is a problem. But right now, by taking this lack of information into account isn't it uncertainty too much at the advantage of winning teams with 1 victory whereas the loser won't have another chance as he si eliminated ?
I have no opinion about this point for the moment, personnally.
The question of the refreshment of rankings is effectively central. I hadn't thought about it so preciseley before.


To give one example, this team was in french D4 last season and went up until turn 9 of the cup : (35312)
Well, almost everyone on the external forum of french managers knew this team and considered it as dangerous ! , whatever was their level.


About the stats you gave, it effectively proves that the ranking system is not bad in term of prevision.
The most well ranked team wins more often (hopefully ^^ ), yet it doesn't mean that it can't be ameliorated by modifying a bit the importance of the cup or by precising other coeffs.

Last edited by Dunker Joe at 7/9/2010 2:39:30 PM