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Since ive lost the last seasons championship from my weak OD on PF, (22678718) and the same team lost from a team that put a good OD PF, but in general weak player (24068288). In my eyes some OD (8+) on high lvl is essential for the PF's.

On 2nd i never seen high lvl team using FCP so i dont have an opinion.

3) Yes 3-2 zone is always better when your big men have some OD.


About the big men/driving. Some seasons ago i used to play 90% of my games LI (you can check it if you want) and i tried to compare my results with some teams that where using the same tactics on the long run. My conclusion was that driving didnt had any affect on the amount of shots, or the %. JS had something to do with it, IS, and maybe the experience.

In general i think that driving as a skill is overrated. The true value of it in my eyes is that 1st)trains lots of skills 2nd) the cheapest skill. I am not sure about the guards/driving, its my 1st season since i am playing (season 6) that i am training guards, but considering that (2370199) is really effective with only 8 DR, and my best player (6.9M for him gloup!) (8238456) has 13 in driving, makes me to believe that what i am thinking about DR and big men apply to the guards too.

Dont take what i am stating as a facts, rather some observations of a rather experienced manager.

Last edited by JohnnyB at 8/1/2010 7:30:46 PM

A high scoring center?

Well well. First of all there are few main things (there are more but they are less significant) that create a high scoring center. I'll try to explain my view on the hand of different chances, since a player needs chances to be able to score

As you know a player only shoots when he thinks the chance is good enough:

A player can get a chance in two ways:
- The player can create his own chance - driving & handling are needed
- The player can be played free in a passing game - he and the players around him (more important) need a certain amount of passing & handling

Most of the time C's in BB don't have a lot of those abilities, so another player rather shoots himself than passing the ball to the C, since he thinks his chance is bigger then the chance that his pass arrives well, his pass is handled well and the C shoots the ball in. If a C does has this ability in BB, trainers tend to make them PF's.

Also when this chance is created the ability to shoot a inside shot is considered, just like the opponent his ability to stop him.

Last edited by Arsjitekt at 8/2/2010 4:46:55 PM

In my experience they tend to get more chances when adding driving. If you can't play them free in a passing game they have to create a chance themselfs, and I seen this happening during the training of my PF.

However I am interested in your research, so if you got a link or something like that. I'd appreciate that.

Well is lost on the time, hard to find it right now, but i compared big men with huge deference on DR, (6-7 lvls) and i didnt saw any practical use of it on the big men. On that research ive used data for 6-7 teams that they where playing LI almost all the time.

i think you forgot one important think - JS level itself not only DR and PA,HN has impact on wheater the big man is gonna shoot or not. I dont see big differences between high DR and JS - i would pick JS even when more expensive. Dont forget 50% of all shots are jump shots, not inside shots in every single tactic! But that is only my opinion based on my team with little less DR inside (but having 18pts/game against top world teams and i mean top world teams).
I agree with need of good OD for big men, however only when 3-2 Zone playing. C have no big problems with low OD (in like 80%) when playing m2m..

i think you forgot one important think - JS level itself not only DR and PA,HN has impact on wheater the big man is gonna shoot or not. I dont see big differences between high DR and JS - i would pick JS even when more expensive. Dont forget 50% of all shots are jump shots, not inside shots in every single tactic! But that is only my opinion based on my team with little less DR inside (but having 18pts/game against top world teams and i mean top world teams).
I agree with need of good OD for big men, however only when 3-2 Zone playing. C have no big problems with low OD (in like 80%) when playing m2m..

Actually I don't see a Center in your team with 18pts average per game. I do see 2 Power Forwards, of which 'good old' Branislav Drunek averages 18pts per game. But yes I agree that Jumpshot has influence on Centers, but I didn't mention it because the influence is in my opinion less big than the influence of creating a chance (after which jumpshot or inside shot are used) there. If you won't get the ball there the player won't shoot. However when a player has got Jumpshot, the opponnent might be forced to defend him even if he gets further away from the basket. This creates space and more oportunities to create a good chance.

I know you have played against top notch teams, but you have a top notch team yourself, therefore I'm willing to make a small comparison between Drunek and my Bernlef. We are both playing in the I.1 and I think that both I.1 won't differ that much.

Drunek (PF, 248k, JS 12, JR 5, HN 5, PS 4, DR 7, IS 17), has got a shotpercentage of 0,653 and 19,2 points

where my Bernlef (PF, 158k, JS 12, JR 3, HN 9, DR 13, IS 14) is clearly the less shooter with a percentage of 0,484 but averages 23,7 points.

Looking at the minutes both played the points per 48 minutes would probably be about the same, but mine had more chances. Looking at the statistics this is probably because he is the better handler, passer and driver.

I haven't taken things in consideration like tactics, but since your the better team and I play just as much in as outside I think this would not make my point less strong.

This at least shows me I probably should get Bernlef his IS to 17...

i agree DR is important (that is why i train it - not drunek though:) i might have some better results after i have player who is better in DR and worse in JS. than my conclusion will be objective.. Now when my guards are much higher in DR it was enough to me to see that out of nowhere one inside player is able to score and have many possesions.. check my team without Drunek (Season12 before B3 against Superfly) before..I could use any tactic i ahrdly managed to have more than 10 possesions from each inside position (while having the same oustide squad). So that is why i say and assump JS has an impact and as well as 50% of shots are JSs i like it:) GL

I think it works like this:

Driving - Insight of creating a chance for the player themselfs, going past you're opponnent
Handling - Controlling the ball, which is needed when driving, but also when receiving a pass and I think also when rebounding. I see handling as a ability which strengthens other abilities.

if you're going for a rebound, but can't control a ball, than the rebounding ability is less helpful.

The same goes for receiving a pass, it is less likely there will be a pass if you can't handle a ball

When having inside players, in a passing game the handling will be more important, when they have to create their own chance, the driving will be more important.

But that's all my theory, can't bring in any hard proof.

Well i never thought to make any research on HA/big men because, i am thinking the obvious. Less HA=more TO, maybe there is something more, but i dont know.