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Date: 2/23/2011 3:02:40 PM
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Anthony Carter: A veteran point guard who defends and leads but sure as heck doesn't score, Carter was something of a security blanket for George Karl in Denver for half a decade but has only played 14 games this season. At 35, he's no longer a viable rotation player but has use as a third point guard who can run the offense in a pinch and provides sage counsel in the locker room.

As a side note, Carter could technically blow up this deal because his contract permits him to refuse a trade. However, it won't stay blown up for long -- Denver can replace him with Melvin Ely, who makes the exact same money, if it comes to that.

Renaldo Balkman: An athletic forward who fell into disfavor in Denver and has played only five games this season, Balkman was included as a mini-salary dump (he has two years left after this one at a modest $1.675 million per) but may actually help with his energy and athleticism off the bench. While useless in the halfcourt and badly suited to D'Antoni's floor-spacing offense, Balkman is a good open-court finisher and a very good rebounder. Given how thinned out the Knicks' ranks are at the forward spots, he may see spot minutes in his return to the place where he started his career.

Shelden Williams: New York's likely backup center behind Ronny Turiaf, Williams is an effective, workmanlike rebounder and a physical defender. But offensively, he has hands of stone and a poor outside shot, and he can't elevate to finish at the basket. Also, Williams is just 6-9, so many centers can play right over the top of him. Basically, he's a "4.5" -- too small for full-time center duty but not skilled enough to play the 4 in today's game. As a fifth big man, he's not bad at all. As a rotation player, you've got a problem.

Anthony Randolph: An intriguing mix of shot-blocking skill, athleticism and ballhandling, Randolph has huge strengths but glaring weaknesses: He can't shoot and doesn't know it yet, he doesn't always play hard or practice with much verve, and he's light as a feather.

Randolph is also only 21 and averaged better than a point every two minutes a year ago -- an amazing feat considering he has no post game, no jumper and only the slightest inkling of the difference between a good shot and a bad one. He fell out of favor in New York and hardly played, but I would argue the positives outweigh the negatives and I expect Minnesota to give him plenty of rope the rest of the season.

Corey Brewer: A rail-thin wing who plays exemplary defense thanks to his length, effort and anticipation, Brewer nonetheless will be best-remembered in Minnesota for fans' blood-curdling shrieks of "No!! Noooo!!" every time he dribbled. Despite his entertaining ballhandling -- he either falls down or comes close virtually every time he puts it on the floor -- Brewer can help New York because he's a good defender on what's likely to be a very poor defensive team post-trade.

Nonetheless, it's possible he'll be moved to a third team. He's a restricted free agent after the season and, as a 24-year-old role payer, he's unlikely to move up in the world. But he's just competent enough offensively to make it worthwhile to play him for his defense, particularly on a roster like New York's.

Eddy Curry: Hopelessly out of shape, Curry will be waived upon arrival in Minnesota and is unlikely to set foot in the NBA again.

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Date: 2/23/2011 3:03:42 PM
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To sum up, the Knicks are giving up young guys with potential for past their prime stars. That always works out well...

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Date: 2/23/2011 3:42:47 PM
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I agree. Not to mention they could have positioned themselves for Chris Paul/Deron Williams types in later seasons, which they needed more of. It's like an odd type of lack of patience, they haven't grown into a contender this year, and even in the future Stoudemire/Anthony just isn't as good a collection of "stars" as Wade/Lebron/Bosh.


Pundits seemed to be saying that the Knicks would still have a shot at Paul or Williams...maybe even a better shot now.





Well, looks like Williams is off the table now. The Nets just made their own big trade, sending Favors, Harris, some draft picks, and some cash to Utah to get Williams.

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Date: 2/23/2011 8:46:29 PM
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As discussed before, the Knicks never really have/had a shot at Williams/Paul anyway.

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Date: 2/23/2011 10:32:16 PM
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We will see...honestly, I don't know what the financial structure that the Knicks have or what the collective bargaining agreement will be. However, if Miami can have Lebron, Bosh and Wade, its not totally out of the question that the Knicks could have three all-star caliber players.

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Date: 2/23/2011 10:48:43 PM
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Knicks win! Knicks win!

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Date: 2/23/2011 11:40:59 PM
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However, if Miami can have Lebron, Bosh and Wade, its not totally out of the question that the Knicks could have three all-star caliber players.


The big different is that the Heat guys all took slight paycuts whereas Amare and Carmelo pretty much went for as much money as they could which basically kills the Knicks chances of getting that 3rd big star and still having money for anything but D-leaguers.

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Date: 2/24/2011 12:56:32 AM
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However, if Miami can have Lebron, Bosh and Wade, its not totally out of the question that the Knicks could have three all-star caliber players.


The big different is that the Heat guys all took slight paycuts whereas Amare and Carmelo pretty much went for as much money as they could which basically kills the Knicks chances of getting that 3rd big star and still having money for anything but D-leaguers.


What...that can't happen if they have a shot at Chris Paul? Plus, the Knicks could also go over the cap and pay the tax...

I don't know...we'll have to see.

Still, I don't think the Knicks are contenders...Amare and Melo are go players...but I'm not sure have two scoring forwards that aren't stellar defensively is the best framework to build a championship winner upon.

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Date: 2/24/2011 3:50:30 AM
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However, if Miami can have Lebron, Bosh and Wade, its not totally out of the question that the Knicks could have three all-star caliber players.


The big different is that the Heat guys all took slight paycuts whereas Amare and Carmelo pretty much went for as much money as they could which basically kills the Knicks chances of getting that 3rd big star and still having money for anything but D-leaguers.


What...that can't happen if they have a shot at Chris Paul? Plus, the Knicks could also go over the cap and pay the tax...

I don't know...we'll have to see.

Still, I don't think the Knicks are contenders...Amare and Melo are go players...but I'm not sure have two scoring forwards that aren't stellar defensively is the best framework to build a championship winner upon.

No, it can't happen. Not unless Chris Paul agrees to take WAY LESS (like... 10 million per or so). You can't go over the cap to sign a free agent.

The CBA looks like being quite draconian and definitely will swing the pendulum back in favor of the owners. I wouldn't be surprised to see a hard cap with no exceptions, or a soft cap with very, very few exceptions... but if they get the soft cap, expect massive salary reconstructions, perhaps even rollbacks.

Basically... very unlikely that NYK can fit another star on that roster.

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175459.30 in reply to 175459.29
Date: 2/24/2011 11:00:44 AM
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You dont need 3 stars, you need 12 team members. Ever since the big Boston thing where they signed Allen and Garnett, this 'powerhouse of superstars' seems to be the only way people can believe in a winner. Having the biggest names you can afford isnt a sure recipe for a championship, as we will see in this year's playoffs. People seem to be jonesing for the 'big move' like the Celts and Heat have done recently. It's amazing that anyone in the past ever won a championship at all without triplets

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