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well my 3 trainess guards have 11, 11, 9 OD starter centers 11 and 12 iD, so i allow people shot bellow 30%, while i am shooting bircks at around 40%, defence is only good salary-wise, cause 11 OD guard salary is only like 6k and he can defend anyone in league 5 lol...

Last edited by Gajus Julijus Cezaris at 10/18/2011 3:12:52 PM

but you could also overpowering it, and multiskill is even cheaper ;) I haven't the biggest salary in the league, and especially outside relativ weak defenders but i am still one of the top teams.

And at tangosz, i thought you wanted to say that instead of a versatil player only defensiv player are worth it.

Let's assume you're starting to train an 18 year old MVP potential big man, say a power forward, which would you train first, the guard skills or the big man skills? Putting into perspective that the trainee will get 1 position training for about 4 or 5 seasons at minimum. I'm thinking that since the hypothetical Amar'e would be about 201cm-216cm tall then i would most likely go for guard skills at first, the gains would be faster that way and i'll get quite decent results in the first season. Or you would recommend equally training all of the required skills (i'm thinking IS,ID,RB,DR as primaries, concentrating on DR. Adding to that would be JS and handling, also a bit of passing and shotblocking.

Any thoughts?

My thinking is this... One Stud would become very exspensive, and then One Injury could end it all. Building 6 Players (Two Position Training) on the First Tier would net me 6 Valuable Players, so 5 seasons down the road I have these guys as Vets. I've got a legit player at every spot, capable of handling most situations. Not spectacular, but well rounded and everyone pitches in.

By that time, they will be 'to old to train' so I'll have 1-2 really good guys (probably bought prospects) to train into the Stars that should take the team to the next level.

I'm looking for Two Position Training over the next 4 to 5 Seasons to build those 6 (one to be picked in the Draft upcoming). Since I am in V League, the talent shouldn't be huge, I should be able to compete. After all, the 2 Seed I just beat lost because they suited 3 Players most of the season. 3 Good Players... but 1 got hurt. 3 Good Players healthy was good enough for a 2 Seed, but the risk was the injury that happened, now that 2 Seed Season is going to be out the door early in the play offs because of it.

None of these players should get stupid high salaries, all of these players should be able to function in the Offense/Defense, and losing any one won't tear the whole thing down.

Now, I totally agree that this is not the best way to maximize a single players training, or even two players. I don't want 1 really good guy and then they game plan to stop that one guy, I want 5-6 guys that can play ball at some effective level so I can be the one to adapt as needed. There is always some one who can train better, so if I focus on making the next Shaq and you make your Shaq better... I lose. But if I have 5 guys that can play, your Shaq beats my C... but I allow it and beat you with the other 4. You'll have to train 5 guys to play my 5, not one guy better than I train my one.

Anyways, that's the IDEA. Not saying it will work or that it is perfect, and eventually adding players from the List to improve the squad will help, along with my actual draft picks.

From what people are saying, most teams are either Inside or Outside... and really good at one of them. Then they have to buy pieces to get the other. This is V League... most don't have that kind of money... so your Inside may be better than mine, but I have the Outside advantage. Your Outside may be better, but now I have the Inside Advantage. I want a balanced team to take advantage of those that haven't filled all the pieces, find the weak spot and exploit.

Training 6 players @ 2 positions isn't what you call a stable training method. All of the players unfortunately won't get 48 minutes of gametime every week due to different problems such as fouling out, 1-game injuries etc. Also, their gameshape will not reach a high level because the optimal gametime for ideal gameshape should be around 60-70 minutes.

Also, if you're thinking of composing a balanced team through workout.. it's not a bad idea. You can get fairly competent trainees with Allstar/Perennial allstar potential for quite good prices.. I think the first workout cycle should be about 2-3 seasons, you should train 4 players on 2 positions (possibly guards, because their value is greater) and then sell them for starting capital. Use some of it for buying another 4 trainees and let the rest be a seed for your future big men. 3 seasons worth of training and voila. You get your big men and after about 2-3 seasons you have a quite decent team, some pocket money and a lot of room to improve.

In conclusion, i still think the best way to upgrade your team is to train to sell, using the money for buying players for other positions and new prospects. Train, Sell, Repeat.

My thinking is this... One Stud would become very exspensive, and then One Injury could end it all. Building 6
None of these players should get stupid high salaries, all of these players should be able to function in the Offense/Defense, and losing any one won't tear the whole thing down.

e that kind of money... so your Inside may be better than mine, but I have the Outside advantage. Your Outside may be better, but now I have the Inside Advantage. I want a balanced team to take advantage of those that haven't filled all the pieces, find the weak spot and exploit.

nice plan dude but if u wanna reach a BB toplevel as fast as possible ur choice isnt the best one

some thoughts for u :-)

1) use the inbalance of the BB market --> prospects and high potential studs are much more expensive as middle age dudes who are ready to play

2) u dont need to build player who are ready, its enough to build guys that looks for other manager as players who can reach the top in the future --> its like the religion, they pay for something without the knowledge about what happen :-D

3) build ur arena as fast as possible --> prices allways at the bottom till u reach division 2

4) try to win more away games cause of the revenue boost for home games after a win

5) train skills that other manager are hate to train like OD,Range or Guardskills with a Center or or or --> boosting the value


--> sell and buy young studs and for the other position buy old, cheap dudes..if u do that, and the BB invironment didnt change in the near future, u reach faster a higher division as Ben Johnson the ..... :-D

Cheers

Will

My thinking is this...

Man, you don't need to convince us to feel better about your plan. Just do what you want to do; the road to get to a goal is always more enjoyable in BB then goal itself.

Let's assume you're starting to train an 18 year old MVP potential big man, say a power forward, which would you train first, the guard skills or the big man skills? Putting into perspective that the trainee will get 1 position training for about 4 or 5 seasons at minimum. I'm thinking that since the hypothetical Amar'e would be about 201cm-216cm tall then i would most likely go for guard skills at first, the gains would be faster that way and i'll get quite decent results in the first season. Or you would recommend equally training all of the required skills (i'm thinking IS,ID,RB,DR as primaries, concentrating on DR. Adding to that would be JS and handling, also a bit of passing and shotblocking.

Any thoughts?

First of all, I'd take a very tall 18y old with nice secondaries (OD, JR and PA at least Inept). I'd spend the first year training guard skills which are a pain to train with tall trainees. Next 3-4 seasons I'd train big man skills with a guard skill thrown here and there (mainly OD and a bit less PA and JR). Before he caps after 5 seasons of training, I'd round out his guard skills.

If you trained him in big man skills first, after three seasons you would get a salary monster that you have to play out of position for 12-16 weeks. But if you train his guard skills first, his salary becomes very manageable.

I support you on this. Don't listen to those who force training, thus making 21-years-old-or-so players with 100+-or-so salaries. You're still not up to handle those players.

I'm "forcing" training. I drafted a 18y old with all respectables in guard skills and he received balanced one-position training. At his 21 years, his projected salary is 40-45k. Is this really so much to bear, provided you promote in the meantime?

From your negative connotation when talking about one-position training I'd say you either had some bad experience yourself or you didn't train properly. I will give you another example: (13647772). He was being trained by a D.III team (he was in my league at that time) and didn't train anything else but IS, ID and RB; secondaries were all Atrocious except for JS which was at Pitiful. When he turned 21, his salary was 180k. Problem was, his manager didn't know how to manage his team wisely and he bankrupted.

You get a rookie with higher potential, you get a dearly bought trainer, and you force, force, force. In three or four seasons, the guy simply grows useless, as his salary grows to an unbearable level. Eventually you choke, you can't sell him for much money as rare managers won't them, or you could, with some luck, if you're training for money.

It seems like this happened to you. Sorry to brake it down to you like that, but if you don't know how to train properly, don't go around telling others one-position training is dangerous or useless, because it's not.

If you are in D.5, here is the recipe to promote in two seasons with one-position training if you are training guards:

- buy three 18y olds with P.Allstar potential - you can get all three for under 200k
- buy old and cheap PF and C, so you don't pay much for salaries
- first season train, train, train and aim for 5th spot so you don't pay any salaries in the offseason
- 2nd season, your trainees will have around 6-9k salary each, which is perfectly manageable for D.5
- aim for playoffs and few weeks before playoffs buy good PF and C with money you saved
- win the league, go to D.IV where you have a team that can compete with others; your trainees will have salaries 12-15k which is again perfectly manageable for D.IV team

Repeat the above steps, but replace "18y olds" with your existing trainees, and in two more seasons you are out of D.IV and promote.

This is a quick and efficient route, but it may not be enjoyable for many teams.