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The bottom line is that if he have a problem already now(that we do), next season it will be much bigger and it can destroy NT tournaments, provided drastic action is not taken in advance.

This isn't just an aesthetic kind of suggestion topic. Its crucial something's done. I would like to read some BBs and GMs opinions on it.

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The bottom line is that if he have a problem already now(that we do), next season it will be much bigger and it can destroy NT tournaments, provided drastic action is not taken in advance.

This isn't just an aesthetic kind of suggestion topic. Its crucial something's done. I would like to read some BBs and GMs opinions on it.

So to "protect" the integrity of the NT/U21 tournaments, you're going to make it impossible for everyone in the game to purchase players from other nations' NT/U21 rosters? I understand that some people feel that the international teams are important, but proposing rules that actually tell users that they can't buy a player simply because it inconveniences the NTs is a horrible direction to go in. The NT should never be an infringement upon the core game, period, end of story.

In all real leagues, around the world, there are transfer limitations, much stricter and more "unfair" than the one i proposed.
Without even getting in the "fair play" subject, that is the main concern here and any breach of it has become part of written rules and regulations of the game.

In addition, i don't see any constructive input. I can't even tell whether you recognise the existence of the problem or not. Your only opinion on the subject, that i know of, is that we shouldn't have NT-U21 teams and tournaments at all.
Fair enough, but i also believe its redundant to aplly any critisism to any proposition, on this subject, since you trully believe it shouldn't exist as a subject, to begin with.

In all real leagues, around the world, there are transfer limitations, much stricter and more "unfair" than the one i proposed.
Without even getting in the "fair play" subject, that is the main concern here and any breach of it has become part of written rules and regulations of the game.

In addition, i don't see any constructive input. I can't even tell whether you recognise the existence of the problem or not. Your only opinion on the subject, that i know of, is that we shouldn't have NT-U21 teams and tournaments at all.
Fair enough, but i also believe its redundant to aplly any critisism to any proposition, on this subject, since you trully believe it shouldn't exist as a subject, to begin with.

If my criticism of the proposal was "omg, international play is teh sux!" then you'd be correct. But my concern about the suggestion, strange as it may appear, is exactly what I said it was to be - it's saying that because of some rogue actors that are sabotaging the NT/U21, we must limit the ability of all users to purchase NT/U21 players from other countries. This, essentially, is telling users who might legitimately be interested in purchasing those players that while they aren't intending to do anything wrong, their actions nonetheless can't be permitted because the international game is more important than your silly little club.

Of course, if you're more interested in actual constructive input, what about this scenario: the NT manager from some small country sees a nicely-trained player from his country on the TL at a fairly low price. And we're not even talking NT/U21 caliber player, but a nice SF let's say. The NT manager adds the player to the NT, makes the initial low bid, and walks away with a steal. Sure, this may be no more of an abuse of the system than what's going on now, but instead of a NT being hurt, actual club users (both those who train/sell the player and those who would otherwise buy the player) are harmed. And this isn't even preventing NT sabotage - it's just an opportunistic move by an NT manager to enrich their club interests.

As far as the restrictions in the real world, I've got no problems with restrictions that are set up to improve the game - not letting teams in leagues with a 50k TV contract place a bid on a guy with a $200k salary (NT or not!), regardless of nationality, for example is something I'd support. But adding restrictions this widespread to address a game problem that only really matters for the NT/U21 is trying to crack an egg with a hammer.

Now, we're talking!

If my criticism of the proposal was "omg, international play is teh sux!" then you'd be correct. But my concern about the suggestion, strange as it may appear, is exactly what I said it was to be - it's saying that because of some rogue actors that are sabotaging the NT/U21, we must limit the ability of all users to purchase NT/U21 players from other countries. This, essentially, is telling users who might legitimately be interested in purchasing those players that while they aren't intending to do anything wrong, their actions nonetheless can't be permitted because the international game is more important than your silly little club.

I see where you coming from. I happen to still support my opinion, firstly cause i've not read a different(or improved) one, which will address the problem, secondly because, in my eyes, setting limitations for 30 odd players/per country amongst tens of thousands, is a small(and acceptable for me) price to pay, in order to have a solution to a specific problem.

Of course, if you're more interested in actual constructive input, what about this scenario: the NT manager from some small country sees a nicely-trained player from his country on the TL at a fairly low price. And we're not even talking NT/U21 caliber player, but a nice SF let's say. The NT manager adds the player to the NT, makes the initial low bid, and walks away with a steal. Sure, this may be no more of an abuse of the system than what's going on now, but instead of a NT being hurt, actual club users (both those who train/sell the player and those who would otherwise buy the player) are harmed. And this isn't even preventing NT sabotage - it's just an opportunistic move by an NT manager to enrich their club interests.

If he's not a NT player, at the time he's put on the market, he gets transfer listed as normal, everybody can bid on him straight away.

As far as the restrictions in the real world, I've got no problems with restrictions that are set up to improve the game - not letting teams in leagues with a 50k TV contract place a bid on a guy with a $200k salary (NT or not!), regardless of nationality, for example is something I'd support.

It doesn't counter attack the main problem i addressed, but i believe it could solve a few others. Totally agree with something like that being implemented.

But adding restrictions this widespread to address a game problem that only really matters for the NT/U21 is trying to crack an egg with a hammer.

Not all problems can be fixed with general rules. Some specific ones, need specific solutions. First step is to acknowledge we have a certain problem. Second step, try to find the best plausible solution with the minimum cost for the game, in general.

P.S If you don't break eggs, whether its with a a gentle crack or ...a hammer, you're not going to eat omelet ;)




Last edited by maddoghellas at 4/11/2013 6:17:17 PM

Since title of the thread implies this is general U21/NT suggestions thread, I'll add one myself.

BB-Mail. Back when I wasn't a U21 coach yet, it already caused me a headache or two. Now it's pure chaos. During one season span (14 weeks), I send out about 300-400 mails and receive around 200. BB mail could feature numerous improvements, but most of them would serve U21 and NT coaches only. So I'll name only one that could help also other users: To be able to show mail exchange between two users like in Gmail or Android (basically like a chat). This will help greatly the users who own U21 and NT players and prospects.

It will also help mentors and their "students" who exchange a lot of mails through the course of few seasons. To have them ordered chronologically in one place, it helps a lot!

Last edited by Koperboy at 4/17/2013 6:13:31 AM