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although i am for maximum rosters and maximum trades let me forecast that this will lead to some REAL BARGAINS compared to today but as you said if the threshold is gradually rising then you will have to be training to keep pace with the threshold!

then your non-trainees will be worthless when you aim to upgrade (or am i factoring in too much threshold growth?)

look, don't get me wrong here.

I don't NEED daytrading, I don't promote it, I don't critisize it, yes I use it when it knocks on my door, no I don't hate people who DT, and I don't hate people who don't. I'm also not jealous of people who make more money than me using an aspect of the game. Yes somethimes I'm also to lazy to look for cheap players, yes I fired a couple of guys I bought that no one else wanted so I got stuck with them and payed them all between 20k and 50k salary just for charity before I finally fired them and I don't expect thanks from the managers I gave money to get rid of them, yes I made some profit from others that where wanted by others. No it's not realistic, but many other aspects in this game aren't either, therefor it's a game.

About the type: This is a manager game, and what's most important to managers....right, the money. (don't read other stuff is not important, I said MOST ;) )

I can't help it but I need to give another example: a DT-er find a very good player for 20k, and is able to sell him for 300k. Very lucky guy! But so so bad!!
then, an other manager gets a draft pick that easely gains him 600k, while most others need to be content with a combined 400k worth for all 3 picks, how fair is that?? he paid for scouting, o okay, so the others didn't? yes they did, or maybe they didn't, fact is, 1 team, or a few teams gain a great advantage over the other teams. the DT also paid for scouting to find this lucky buy, he paid with his time... I (and I think many others as well) just hope I get lucky as well ever so many times. In this game there are many ways in which to get lucky, everyone is free to try in ways he sees fit, and without breaking rules/cheating.

If every time when some team gets an advantage over an other team, it should be stopped, we should all start out with the same players, players should all have set prices, and if one would buy one knows how much he'd pay, and the seller would know what he'd get. Every team should get the same 3 youths in the draft. everyone should get the same revenue, the same scouting, the same coach, the same doctor and PR man, all would be the same...for everyone... now THAT would be a game!!
Hm, let's not forget, it is also not fair if the other team can win and you don't, so every game should be a draw also...
(before I get 100 reactions: this is not seriously what I think!)

Now I don't think I will post on here, since this discussion is clearly not going to stop. Many are against and demand forbidding it, and I don't believe they will quit their quest.
Rather, I think I already expressed my opinion, and tried to clarify I'm not free from DT-ing myself, but also don't promote it, and it's surely not my main task in this game.
I will see if it stays, or that they eventually will forbid it, and either way I will be pleased because either way it will be the same chances for everyone. Because the most important thing is that either everyone is free to do it, or nobody is, and so far I can't find any aspect in this game where this rule does not comply.

Quite obviously you have completely missed the point, and I see no point in trying you to understand it (even less to try to convince you to agree with it, but that has never been my task).

For some very strange reason you discuss issues like "I'm also not jealous of people who make more money...", " can't help it but I need to give another example: a DT-er find a very good player for 20k, and is able to sell him for 300k. ", and "if every time when some team gets an advantage...".

No one as I can see has said anything like that are jeelous of people making money, or that it is not ok to make money with todays rules, or that teams shouldn't be able to get advatages. Your arguments clearly show that you have not understood at all why some of us do not like DT. (If you can point at one single post that states any of the above reasons as reasons for limiting DT I appologize for my comment).

I am not saying that you have to agree to us, not at all, but it would be fair to try to read the arguments and reply to those instead of inventing arguments of your own and argue about those.

I remember when all the hoopla was against releasing the BOT players into the TL. People from the lower division were complaining that they can't buy the very good players and the BBs & GMs were saying that it's supposed to be that way. Only the teams from the top divisions should be able to afford and support those players. DTs on the other hand would be an exception to this. They can afford to buy these players because of their profits from other trades. So what will happen to the supposed talent gap?

I still believe that the game should be decided on the hardwood floor and not on the trading floor. success on the court should give you economic windfall and not the other way around.

i agree we don't want the possible profits from day trading to overwhelm other economic factors in the game.

we need a way to measure the economic impact of day trading in a quantified way. Show me a day trader that is an economic powerhouse that isn't in the top 2 divisions? I suspect that a team without some innate economic power can't really compete for players that are the most profitable for day trading (i'm imagining these are slightly not top tier players).

. Show me a day trader that is an economic powerhouse that isn't in the top 2 divisions?

(26249)
division III Germany
Total Sales: $352600
Total Purchases: $378300
Transfer Balance: $-25700
23 transfers since 15 Dec
11 players on TL

(26444)
division III Germany
Total Sales: $2015300
Total Purchases: $1948900
Transfer Balance: $66400
119 transfers since 15 Nov
6 players on TL

(51802)
division III Latvia
Total Sales: $1476601
Total Purchases: $1087500
Transfer Balance: $389101
61 transfers since 12 Nov

(75530)
div IV Spain
Total Sales: $1613800
Total Purchases: $963200
Transfer Balance: $650600
109 transfers since 30 Oct
5 players on TL

(60342)
div IV Argentina
Total Sales: $1156300
Total Purchases: $1055101
Transfer Balance: $101199
76 transfers since 21 Nov
11 players on TL

(92810)
div IV Nederland
Total Sales: $4152801
Total Purchases: $3945300
Transfer Balance: $207501
74 transfers since 8 Nov
11 players on TL

(45276)
division V Italy
Total Sales: $6159800
Total Purchases: $4205800
Transfer Balance: $1954000
64 transfers since 31 Oct
6 players currently on TL

(45388)
division V Italy
Total Sales: $6575800
Total Purchases: $4862700
Transfer Balance: $1713100
101 transfers since 28 Oct
9 players currently on TL

(78034)
div V Spain
Total Sales: $1828200
Total Purchases: $2049500
Transfer Balance: $-221300
109 transfers since 17 Nov
18 players currently on TL


Note: Not trying to call out any of these teams, but there is a bit of money being made in lower divisions. If the links are inappropriate, please let me know and I can edit them out.

Eh eh!

See these one:

Los Dragones (24274) III.4
Armani Jeans FC (46270) V.67
Pinilla CB (75677) IV.24
Floppzzys (92810) IV.7
Red Starz (99007) IV.10

There are other teams but a good chicken in waiting me on the table, I'll update later.

PS: Same that Dary, if something is not allowed I'll remove it ;)

Wow! The ones in Italy are crazy.

The point I was trying to make is that it IS possible to make an ungodly amount of money in a short time from a lower division. The two division V Italy teams with over $6M in bought players within a two month period are pretty astounding. I'm in division III and I can't imagine having that kind of money to spend.

How can you buy somebody in 260k, and because he is international sell him just one day after in 500k?

If this is not daytrading, how can you call...

You are right, it is possible it just takes a lot of insight and effort. I cannot speak for the other teams, but as a person on your list I can only explain how I got the money to start trading.

1) In my startup team was a player that I sold for 200k ish (2573737).
2) I made a spreadsheet calculating which combination of skills would be best for my team and thus most profitable.
3)I found out that you can buy players on weekdays for half the price you pay for them in weekends
4)I observed the market for a few weeks while making enough money on selling trained players e.g. (2347489) and thus keeping at least 200k in stock.
5) After I understood the market, I started buying improvements to my team and sold of my old team members for a profit using minimum prices.

I don't know if there was anyone who wanted to know how it worked, but just in case, this is how i became daytrader.

Now I mainly trade to cover my weekly costs as I'm not even close to filling my stadium and the 70k+40k a week in salaries does a lot of damage to your budget.

Hope it gave you all some insight,

Happy holidays,

Floppzzy