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251906.204 in reply to 251906.46
Date: 2/11/2014 10:20:24 PM
Milwaukee Lethargy
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BB question for you: (Since you're super into BB it seems)
How am I getting out-rebounded with a pretty big team rebounding rating advantage?
Random game from this season... (65823071) on the road versus the Ignacius rock Pistons I had proficient vs. their respectable, yet only got 39 rebounds. (out of around 100 chances.) Ok...

Tonight I had two full levels higher & got out-rebounded again. What's up with that? I don't remember that happening much in prior seasons. But there's been a number of games this season where I've noticed it.

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251906.205 in reply to 251906.203
Date: 2/11/2014 10:47:06 PM
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Getting CT'd out of the Cup by another II team is annoying (though at least in my case, it made a lot more sense for my opponent to CT given their league position and ambitions). I think that the results of this season just prove that your roster isn't nearly deep enough and maybe it's time to stop carrying so few players and open the checkbook.

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251906.206 in reply to 251906.204
Date: 2/11/2014 10:48:31 PM
Smallfries
II.1
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If you ask me( which you didn't) I have to say the one game you posted is because of playing a 3-2 defense. It allowed him to pull down 12 offensive rebounds. Playing man to man that may have been a little lower. Take 5 of those offensive rebounds away and you have the dame amount of rebounds.

Now, I didn't look through your other games but I'm wondering if your high rebound is either a product of overload on your starters but not you backups, or it's so spread out through even your guards that no player is actually a dominant rebounder, which then the guards are boosting your rating without much production.

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251906.207 in reply to 251906.204
Date: 2/11/2014 10:57:35 PM
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BB question for you: (Since you're super into BB it seems)
How am I getting out-rebounded with a pretty big team rebounding rating advantage?
Random game from this season... (65823071) on the road versus the Ignacius rock Pistons I had proficient vs. their respectable, yet only got 39 rebounds. (out of around 100 chances.) Ok...

Tonight I had two full levels higher & got out-rebounded again. What's up with that? I don't remember that happening much in prior seasons. But there's been a number of games this season where I've noticed it.


The one thing about both games is that you missed a lot more shots than your opponents, which means that they should be expected to end up with more boards if all other things are equal. Of course, the Diorite game still was a little bit out of line with what you'd expect in terms of how many offensive boards you gave up. I don't know if the whole GDP thing affects rebounding too or not, but that would be one thing - and of course, I'd be remiss if I didn't totally start the "3-2 kills your rebounding" rumor for my own obvious advantage. Though now that I think about it, I think I've probably ended up more offensive boards when I run the Princeton than I should otherwise, but I would have to remember to look back to find out if those were zone games too.

From: shikago

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251906.208 in reply to 251906.206
Date: 2/12/2014 12:23:20 AM
Milwaukee Lethargy
III.5
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Thanks for the reply. Interesting thought.
Ok, I glanced at 3 random games with M2M just now. Had the reb edge in each of them (1 to 2 levels) yet still got out-rebounded in all 3 of them! Just in general, to me... in the past it seemed like whoever had a decided rebounding edge could count on not getting out-rebounded at the very least. And more often than not, dominate the glass.

Believe it or not, I went from 2011 to spring/summer of 2013 without making moves... & still have most of my old core. So it's not like the makeup of my team changed radically. (It's still Maybelline.)

Here's something minor, but weird too. My backup C had back to back games of only 1 rebound in 19+ minutes. That's worse than I'd expect a fan to do, no exaggeration! He's not a scrub either... put up a 17.5 rating this season. Something's just off...

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251906.209 in reply to 251906.207
Date: 2/12/2014 12:47:54 AM
Milwaukee Lethargy
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You can comment on my reply to smallfries too if you like.
I remember you didn't think very highly of Diorites reb ability IIRC. Anyway, never considered the GDP til you brought it up. Of the 3 random M2M games I mentioned... one I double guessed right, & one my opponent guessed right. So based on that huge sample size: I'm declaring no on GDP! Besides, it would already be reflected in the rankings? Thought that's partly why you put up a huge defensive rating with your 1-3-1.

I'd counter your 3-2 zone advantageous rumor with the game manual. Which heavily implies that it shouldn't have much of an impact. (actually, it implies zero impact).


maybe it's time to stop carrying so few players and open the checkbook.

I got confused with baseball & thought I had to get down to a 40 man roster.

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251906.210 in reply to 251906.209
Date: 2/12/2014 10:35:29 AM
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You can comment on my reply to smallfries too if you like.
I remember you didn't think very highly of Diorites reb ability IIRC. Anyway, never considered the GDP til you brought it up. Of the 3 random M2M games I mentioned... one I double guessed right, & one my opponent guessed right. So based on that huge sample size: I'm declaring no on GDP! Besides, it would already be reflected in the rankings? Thought that's partly why you put up a huge defensive rating with your 1-3-1.

I'd counter your 3-2 zone advantageous rumor with the game manual. Which heavily implies that it shouldn't have much of an impact. (actually, it implies zero impact).


maybe it's time to stop carrying so few players and open the checkbook.

I got confused with baseball & thought I had to get down to a 40 man roster.


I don't remember being unimpressed with Diorite's rebounding ability. I do remember I think last season that at one point their roster was lacking inside quality to the point where even before the GDP came into play I went with an LI against them because it just seemed almost mandatory. Then he picked up Mobile and Kostas and has beaten my ass twice in a row, so, yeah. ;)

While the results of GDP are definitely reflected in the ratings, what we don't know is whether it also has an effect on "hidden" ratings - things that don't normally show up like flow skills on big (though that's not of course relevant to GDP), ID on guards and OD on bigs, and rebounding on the guards. But rebounding's screwy anyhow - if the rebounding skills are even remotely similar, I'd imagine on average that the team with more rebounds is more likely to be correlated to the shooting percentage than the rebounding skill.

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251906.211 in reply to 251906.203
Date: 2/14/2014 8:14:45 AM
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I did state later in the season that with inter league play starting, I was going to attempt to win some conference games.

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251906.212 in reply to 251906.211
Date: 2/14/2014 10:54:52 AM
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You know you're living life in BB right when you list a player at the mid to upper end of his TC range, get a bid on Thursday night on him, and then Friday's training causes a skill drop that switches his position and causes his TC range to drop by half. So for full disclosure, folks, the player that I'm selling for $275k that *now* has a TC of 100-170k is not me trying to fleece somebody, and in fact I suppose I should have listed him at 800k for a few months until someone bought him.

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251906.213 in reply to 251906.212
Date: 2/14/2014 11:47:08 AM
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Yes, I've seen these TPEs drop dramatically even without a skill drop. It makes you wonder why this happens, especially if there were at least a dozen players who had been sold at said TPE. So what in hell happens? Besides, hrudey, we all know that you simply knew that guy was going to drop a skill:-)

Pappy
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251906.214 in reply to 251906.212
Date: 2/14/2014 1:48:19 PM
Arizona Desert Storm
III.1
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You know you're living life in BB right when you list a player at the mid to upper end of his TC range, get a bid on Thursday night on him, and then Friday's training causes a skill drop that switches his position and causes his TC range to drop by half. So for full disclosure, folks, the player that I'm selling for $275k that *now* has a TC of 100-170k is not me trying to fleece somebody, and in fact I suppose I should have listed him at 800k for a few months until someone bought him.


TPE's are not usually the best measuring stick of value anyway. The GM's factor in much more than that when looking at Transfer questions. Things were called pretty tight there for a while, it seemed like if a guy got $50K more that what most would consider normal, people kind of freaked out. That was never the spirit of the TPE, or the rule governing transfers.

The whole point is to dissuade "account transfers" and cheating in general, or the occasional time when a guy blatantly profits from a really stupid bid on one on his players :-) I think you are more than safe in this instance ;)

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