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Testing the "empty lineup prevention" code in Private League matches

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259887.209 in reply to 259887.208
Date: 1/3/2015 10:19:22 AM
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I played my both games LCD and BLU.

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I don't understand why Kardzis played SF sub and Renaudet C sub. I actually would have set Renaudet SF, Kardzis PF and Van de Corput C. Notice that I bought Kardzis recently so he didn't play in my previous tests.
Everything else is positive, imo.

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Everything has been logical. I still don't understand why my player Said made only 1-16 but that's another question.

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Date: 1/4/2015 12:52:29 PM
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Ok guys, thanks again for all the effort. I'm sorry I couldn't check in here more often, but you know how this time of year gets, I'm human too

I'll comment only on the problematic reports:
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LCD and blank lineup.
Well, i had 7 players on that match.Weird thing is that my best center hasnt entered game till the end.I checked GS, coz it might be a reason, and realized that (18910920) was in 9, not to mention that he has higher wage and better skills, and (18148427) was in 8.
I really dont have a clue why Grganovic took 48mins over Shek.
Day after that i played same thing in league match and everything was perfect (75963892).
Keep in mind that play both times same offensive and defensive tactics, so that couldnt be a reason.

@LA-Saur0n: Seems like you did set a lineup (starters and backups). Sorry. The day after had a blank lineup.

@brambauti regarding posts (259887.205) and (259887.208): Try to remember that during testing I did change the number of needed players for the BL prevention code to work; here's an excerpt from this post of mine (259887.191): "Btw, to clarify, a lineup with 2 starters set will be cleared and replaced by the code, while one that has 3 set starters won't. ". This means that the lineup didn't qualify for the BL prevention code. It was ran with the old GE code which doesn't guarantee anything (and results in place switching etc...). This may be a problem and I'll think about the solution. One solution might be to adapt the code to fill all the blank positions no matter how many of them are there, and keep the ones that have been already set.

I don't understand why Kardzis played SF sub and Renaudet C sub. I actually would have set Renaudet SF, Kardzis PF and Van de Corput C. Notice that I bought Kardzis recently so he didn't play in my previous tests.
Everything else is positive, imo.

@philoumiha: you have so many similar players it's hard for the code to choose the exactly best match for every position. I don't think the choice was bad enough to warrant any changes in the code.

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Date: 1/5/2015 3:44:21 PM
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Chances are high that we will be implementing the new code starting next season.

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Date: 1/9/2015 8:47:08 PM
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So, are we eliminating the empty lineup in Season 30 or not? I sure hope not

FWIW, I've been filling my depth chart in private league games (LCD) & there is a dramatic drop-off in performance. The coach just doesn't know how to decide wisely, letting 1st stringers get way too many minutes.

To clarify, I'm using the word "dramatic" to mean 5% - 10%

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Date: 1/10/2015 7:40:45 AM
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I hope empty-lineups were banned from the game because it eliminates the fun of figuring out the most effective lineups yourself, handing that job over to the bot-coatch. Or then the coatches should be made stupider so that empty-boxing and LCD wouldnt work so well.

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Date: 1/10/2015 7:54:09 AM
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Also my opinion ...

Hell Ya - We are coming from the North to conquer your arena ...
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Date: 1/10/2015 1:54:17 PM
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I hope empty-lineups were banned from the game because it eliminates the fun of figuring out the most effective lineups yourself, handing that job over to the bot-coatch. Or then the coatches should be made stupider so that empty-boxing and LCD wouldnt work so well.


I disagree. I put a team together, guards, forwards & centers. Regardless of whether I fill the depth chart, it is those players who win or lose games. The fact is that empty lineups are the best way to get the most out of your team's talent.

Empty lineups actually let the coach's decide much more than is the case when the depth chart is filled:
-the coach selects the starting lineup (always wisely, in my experience)
-the coach evaluates what players are on the court at every whistle, facilitating a far more effective rotation. You will see far more substitutions using an empty lineup. The advantage of this is that your players are fresher than your opponent's. This is the most important aspect of the empty lineup.

Empty lineups are not perfect. Perhaps they can improve them rather than ban them. Once or twice a game, usually occurring while one of your players is on the free throw line, the coach will screw up terribly in mid-substitution (e.g. leave your center at PG). You then have to wait for the next whistle for the coach to correct said mistake.

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259887.218 in reply to 259887.217
Date: 1/10/2015 2:19:58 PM
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I agree that empty lineups seem to work really well because of the facts you just presented. My point is just that I'd like to be the one making the decisions about which player plays at which position and how much. And to make it fair for everybody no one should have the chance to let "autopilot" do it.
If we think BB-managers literally as managers of their team, then I guess it isn't our business to mess with the playing times (compared to real life bball). IMO that is still an interesting and fun part of the game that should be stressed a little more. And it's not like we didn't already interfere with coatches' job on other areas of the game (compared to real life again).

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Date: 1/15/2015 4:10:41 PM
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You guys forgot that this is not a thread for this discussion: we are not trying to decide whether this will be implemented or not - that decision has been made a couple of seasons ago. Please read the first post and keep on topic or I'll be forced to do some cleaning.

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