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I'm currently training a PG in my Utopia team and I wa wondering if someone is willing to give me some advice? I don't think he'll make the NT team due to his potential (however I do have a HOF trainee but he isn't as good). If anyone can hep can you bb-mail me so I can message you the skills?

Well, if you could share, I'm more interested about:
a) how long it took (to get him to say 135-140), Vecx did give an estimate for SF and I agree with him on that, but this is an actual example
b) how much out of position training you recall doing which affected your ability to compete (ie you suffered because your trainee was significantly worse than your worse backup at the position)
c) whether you trained skills in a certain order to take advantage of the elastic effect (bar the occasional deviation) or not

Sorry didn't mean it to look like an interrogation! :p

Also since you're a NT coach...d) can you estimate how many managers you have in Belgium who are committed to the NT and U21?

Once again apologies.

Last edited by Lemonshine at 12/11/2014 7:32:06 AM

You can play around with things with this:
http://sourceforge.net/projects/coachparrot/

The original thread where Joey Ka posted this can be found here: (119279.269)

There are others training simulators available, but the training tool in this model uses the latest numbers available before Wozzvt went bot and it's easy to fiddle around with it if you're good with excel (i.e. swapping around the order of training, making plans etc).

Regarding what build you should aim for, given the initial stats, height and potential of your trainee, is a different matter though.

Last edited by Lemonshine at 12/11/2014 6:30:22 AM

Once again I'm forced to point out this is the NT thread. I'm fine with generalities about training as it relates to NT players, current and future. However, I don't want to see people meandering off the subject to push their own agendas. If you don't have enough respect for me personally, then at least respect the community and the position of NT coach.

Again, I'm heartily sick now of this complete bollocks. If you want to argue about the elastic effect, how to train, Kelly Brook's breasts, do it elsewhere.

We're not yet at the stage where we've reached a consensus of what we want to do, so we're not yet able to give specific advice about training. Except where I would always be available for the same sort of advice I've been giving up to now.

If the NT coach is ok I have no problem to give the skills of Marshall. He has reached 150 as total of his skills (without ST and FT of course) this season

He's your player, I have no problem with what you do. As NT coach however, I prefer not to advertise players' skills under any circumstances, and I'm bloody livid about someone else doing so, no matter what you've done in the past.

We're not yet at the stage where we've reached a consensus of what we want to do, so we're not yet able to give specific advice about training.

Yeah. At the same time, unless I missed it, we haven't heard what your opinion is either.

If you want to argue about the elastic effect, how to train

The fact that we don't have enough elite players coming through seems to be the core of the problem, as I understand it and as others, including yourself, have pointed out before and in this very thread and elsewhere. So if you think the main problem is not training efficiently the trainees we have, please clarify your position.

I'm fine with generalities about training as it relates to NT players, current and future.

So which one is it? Is it ok to talk about it or not? Or pointing out how elastic effect works is going to deep?

However, I don't want to see people meandering off the subject to push their own agendas.

And my agenda would be? To clarify that some ways of training are more efficient than others (in a direct reply to questions asked in this thread), despite obstinate resistance on multiple fronts? That I don't think 1 or 2 managers giving advice will change anything nor improve the community nearly as much as having managers understanding better for themselves? I'm completely guilty. I'm not sure how this has nothing to do with the NT, though.

As NT coach however, I prefer not to advertise players' skills under any circumstances

I agree with this. It was more of a general point. I'm sure we don't need to get into details, but a general idea how you get there so that people have an "actual example" rather than just what someone tells them to do

Last edited by Lemonshine at 12/11/2014 7:33:23 AM

he's my player, you have no problem with what I do.
I don't see the issue in mentioning general skill totals

livid

seems a bit strong.

he's my player, you have no problem with what I do.
I don't see the issue in mentioning general skill totals

livid

seems a bit strong.

A tad irked seemed a bit wishy washy.

Bah you know Marshall is Marshall. imagine you are his opponent, is it a real help to know his skills? I don't think so.

It could have been any player. Its just not something I'd do with any NT player. They're not mine and I've always assumed their skills were not mine to share.

To everyone: I'm not going to say any more on this subject because its really not important and I've made my thoughts clear.

I'm not going to respond to your questions/statements individually. For one thing, I can't abide sarcasm and smugness. If you want to talk down to someone keep arguing with Vecx.

Also, I don't really like these long wolph-like posts that use piecemeal quotes so you can make whatever points you're trying to make.

I do want to make one thing clear to you, everyone is entitled to their opinion. You don't seem to like people disagreeing with you, and it seems to annoy you, yet you don't mind putting others down when they dare to disagree with you.

You can feel free to continue to ignore my wishes, after all, not only have I never won anything, I've never even made it out of Division 2.

If you'd like answers to questions you have, ask them without appearing so smug and I'll give them the time they deserve.

Last edited by Gully Foyle at 12/11/2014 8:28:21 AM