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124105.21 in reply to 124105.20
Date: 1/9/2010 5:01:32 PM
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Well thanks, I'll go and test chrazay, too.

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124105.22 in reply to 124105.21
Date: 1/10/2010 5:29:08 PM
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well, I checked charazay, and actually they don't offer anything close to what I was suggesting here. Charazay offers you to change your line up for every quarter so basically what you suggested was a waste of time for me. I was talking about having different tactics for each quarter, not different line ups.

and despite that, charazay has really boring looks. I've heard of basketsim, but there you also have just 1 tactic option for the entire game.

I would suggest, as I see that some seem to not wanting to take more responsibility for their team to have that as an "advanced tactics" option. Like that, people would be able to keep their one tactic per game setting.

I really recommend BB to put more responsibility into the hands of managers, who play this game. BB is already an excellent game, I just feel that much more is possible and especialy more experienced players would enjoy to have some more influence on the outcome of a game. Right now it seems like tactics play the least important role in this game.


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Date: 1/10/2010 5:38:00 PM
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I really recommend BB to put more responsibility into the hands of managers, who play this game. BB is already an excellent game, I just feel that much more is possible and especialy more experienced players would enjoy to have some more influence on the outcome of a game. Right now it seems like tactics play the least important role in this game.


if your suggestion gets implemented, tactics becomes even less usefull because you can not adjust defense anymore to the opposing offense ;)

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124105.24 in reply to 124105.22
Date: 1/10/2010 5:49:24 PM
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You have been playing this game for 5 seasons now. It seems to me that you have not understood what this game is about. We have plenty of tactical choises here. Can you understand that making tactics changeable by quarter you will make this game a mess. Nothing about tactics, everything about luck.

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124105.25 in reply to 124105.23
Date: 1/11/2010 6:07:23 AM
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I really recommend BB to put more responsibility into the hands of managers, who play this game. BB is already an excellent game, I just feel that much more is possible and especialy more experienced players would enjoy to have some more influence on the outcome of a game. Right now it seems like tactics play the least important role in this game.


if your suggestion gets implemented, tactics becomes even less usefull because you can not adjust defense anymore to the opposing offense ;)


But that's not correct... How do you know now, if your opponent changes his offensive tactics for the game against you or not? And again: if you don't like the idea, you can just keep your defense and offense like it is for all 4 quarters.

As I said I feel a little limited as a manager because of the few options I have to modify the tactics. In the end, it's still the better team which wins: If your team defends in general better than the opponent and makes more points in the offense it wins.

Right now you supposed to find one offensive and defensive tactic your team can play with best. It would be more fun to see managers switch their tactics more often by giving it more impact to the game.

Correct me if I'm wrong, but cleverness in tactics play today a minor role. It's first the skills of the players and then the enthusiasm you build upon (which i think is too overrated in this game, see also the discussion about TIE).

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Date: 1/11/2010 6:31:31 AM
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But that's not correct... How do you know now, if your opponent changes his offensive tactics for the game against you or not?


How about if the opponent always play 2 quarters outside offense, and two quarters inside offense. When you put your defense? If he play like this today, you know he is palying baseoffense which you could defend, but playing 2 quarters 2-3, and two 3-2 will give you two quarters with the completly wrong defence so you are commited to play man to man where the opponent gets the offensiv boost which you can not counter with the defensiv boost of the right defense.

As I said I feel a little limited as a manager because of the few options I have to modify the tactics. In the end, it's still the better team which wins: If your team defends in general better than the opponent and makes more points in the offense it wins.


yeah because tactics get useless, but i though you like to make it more important? So you only F*** up teams who have a specialized rooster.

Right now you supposed to find one offensive and defensive tactic your team can play with best. It would be more fun to see managers switch their tactics more often by giving it more impact to the game.


For me brainless change on offense ain't interacting, just to avoid that the opponent could play defense.

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Date: 1/11/2010 6:38:43 AM
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You have been playing this game for 5 seasons now. It seems to me that you have not understood what this game is about. We have plenty of tactical choises here. Can you understand that making tactics changeable by quarter you will make this game a mess. Nothing about tactics, everything about luck.


Please change your attitude! You are not writing to a child!

I enjoy playing BB how I do it, and for me it's not about winning a championship, but more about fun, which I always have until some supergenius like you thinks he is cool because he checks your profile and how long you have played and then gives such comments as you did.

And the one who didn't understand anything is you, when you suggest I should go to charazay.

With that being said, I'd like to get back to the point of tactical IMPACT on the game: It could be eventually even offered as kind of if-terms, such as: "if in quarter -4- team is -down- by -10 points- then play -full court press- in defense and -look inside- in offense" with the factors in -x- being the ones to modify/change. I 've seen that in a soccer simulation before and it works well!

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Date: 1/11/2010 6:52:29 AM
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But that's not correct... How do you know now, if your opponent changes his offensive tactics for the game against you or not?



How about if the opponent always play 2 quarters outside offense, and two quarters inside offense. When you put your defense? If he play like this today, you know he is palying baseoffense which you could defend, but playing 2 quarters 2-3, and two 3-2 will give you two quarters with the completly wrong defence so you are commited to play man to man where the opponent gets the offensiv boost which you can not counter with the defensiv boost of the right defense.

Hi again: It's the same right now! What if the opponent manager decides to play the WHOLE GAME motion while you thought they would play low post?
And then again: if your team is better it will hit more shots than the other team. For example: Someone with tremendous scoring abilities will make more free shots than someone with respectable scoring abilities.

I understand your point about it being a little random, which is why I suggested the "if"- situations.

Last edited by Coach Ash at 1/11/2010 6:55:47 AM

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124105.29 in reply to 124105.28
Date: 1/11/2010 7:33:49 AM
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the whole game one tactic is easier to figuring out, if you watch your competion - because there you could see his favorites tactic/favorite lineup/his gs/importance of the game etc. And if you make the right conlusion, you make a tactical good or bad choiche. But if you come to the conclusion your opponent play 2 quarters motion and two look inside - you could also defend totally wrong in playing 2-3 against his motion quarters and 32 against his LI quarters - so you made the right observation but you are fucked through the random tactic element you like to bring in. And even when you hit, the average 50% i think, the quarters with bad tactics hurts you more then the gain of the good one.

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124105.30 in reply to 124105.29
Date: 1/11/2010 8:04:49 AM
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Ok, but you forgot the following pont: A team that has no shooters, and plays motion just to trap you in a quarter or two can not win the game, despite of eventually good free shots they get. But if a team has good shooters and good inside players their tactics will be difficult to determine. Which is in reality also the case...Orlando Magic last year for example were tactically very difficult to figure out.

So it would mean, your ultimate goal as a manager would be to have a good balanced team with strength in both inside and outside players and defenders, so that you can vary your tactics easily from game to game.

Right now you have teams only specialized in one tactic, and as you said, easy to figure out. In reality the perfect team is a strong team which can play any tactics well.

And in the end, as the better team the chance of quarters with bad tactics is on both sides the same. And don't forget: Very good teams do unfortunately also loose against bad teams. But that doesn't happen really at Buzzerbeater.

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124105.31 in reply to 124105.29
Date: 1/11/2010 8:11:59 AM
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the whole game one tactic is easier to figuring out, if you watch your competion - because there you could see his favorites tactic/favorite lineup/his gs/importance of the game etc. And if you make the right conlusion, you make a tactical good or bad choiche. But if you come to the conclusion your opponent play 2 quarters motion and two look inside - you could also defend totally wrong in playing 2-3 against his motion quarters and 32 against his LI quarters - so you made the right observation but you are fucked through the random tactic element you like to bring in. And even when you hit, the average 50% i think, the quarters with bad tactics hurts you more then the gain of the good one.


you can also play man to man! you're not obliged to risk playing the totally wrong defense. Just as real life basketball! When you're not sure, you play man to man. when you want to totally lock them down and you think they will play inside you play 2-3. If you think their handling is not very good and their point guard is weak, you play full court press. Your scouting will even be more rewarded: When you see they have a center with 30 points average (or high star rating), you rather shut him down.

And what do you think about the if-terms for special situations?

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