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149547.21 in reply to 149547.20
Date: 6/30/2010 8:02:55 PM
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I am really having trouble understanding why bot players will now not choose randomly, but according to the initial scouting that is awarded to every player. What sense does it make to favor in some way the bot teams instead of the human-controlled ones? If, as for example in my division this season, there was 1 player in the draft that was FAR better than anyone else, and there was a single bot team, there would be a considerably high chance that the bot will draft that player, meaning he will be lost forever. Where is the upside in this? Am I missing something?
Obviously this problem gets worse in teams from small countries that play in divisions with many bots.

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149547.22 in reply to 149547.21
Date: 6/30/2010 8:34:37 PM
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I agree on this one with you. Why can't bot players be left aside and take what's left? Of course it would give advantage to those who are in leagues with a lot of bots but then at the same time, they would actually have a chance to catch up quicker with the teams in the higher division and the number of bot teams probably (just probably because not sure on this) doesn't variate that much in the same division (lets say from V.1 to V.2). Just to strengthen the argument, national teams (U21 and NT) are worse off with bots picking randomly and this especially applies to weaker countries with fewer managers, where few good players taken on by bot teams can make all the difference for them! Parden my not excellent English, had a bottle of wine tonight ;]

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149547.23 in reply to 149547.21
Date: 6/30/2010 9:13:26 PM
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I agree with this as well. Bots should always pick the Todd Fuller's of the draft.

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149547.25 in reply to 149547.21
Date: 6/30/2010 11:29:31 PM
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The idea is that teams in mostly bot leagues can't finish really high in their league and also draft really well - as in real life, you get one or the other.

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149547.26 in reply to 149547.25
Date: 6/30/2010 11:57:29 PM
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That makes some "realism" sense, but it sure detracts from a playability standpoint, especially for a country like Thailand that has so few NT quality players to begin with. Now with bots drafting intelligently, there will be even less of a chance for the NT to improve. And I'd love to say that eventually the community will grow, but Thai people have no (or less) interest in basketball. So this is quite a handicap for smaller countries. All we have left are our giant wads of cash and our easy roads to glory.

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149547.27 in reply to 149547.26
Date: 7/1/2010 1:04:11 AM
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Working as intended:)

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149547.28 in reply to 149547.25
Date: 7/1/2010 3:30:25 AM
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The idea is that teams in mostly bot leagues can't finish really high in their league and also draft really well - as in real life, you get one or the other.

But this has a high risk of seriously damaging all the national teams of all the small countries in the world, plus it really takes away a lot of the fun for everyone in leagues with even one or two bots.

For example, what would you do in my situation: I know that in the last 3 drafts there have only been two players that have had (pretty) good base skills and very good potential, plus I know that there will be one bot this season. Unless the initial valuations are completely wrong, if the trend holds, the player (given there is one) who is far better than all the rest should have a much higher valuation then everybody else, and the bot will be sure to pick him up with the first pick. So, since I can pick up from the market a player that is worth pretty much what any other draftee is worth, outside of that single guy, why am I supposed to invest in the draft? And what if you wind up in a division with 2 or 3 bots?

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149547.29 in reply to 149547.28
Date: 7/1/2010 3:46:57 AM
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Can you wait until the first draft is done. You can't really speculate how on target the initial information is. Talking about small countrys? With small countrys there are bot cleanups to punch them all together to that 1-st or 2-nd division. Countrys with 15 or 80 users should not actually be supercompetitive at worlds anyway. Or should they?

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149547.30 in reply to 149547.19
Date: 7/1/2010 4:28:32 AM
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I don't want to discuss about the new system but I want to say that is not acceptable to have a big difference among II.1 - II.2 - II.3 - II.4; I mean that in our division the best player drafted is an 8k salary with potential 8, in another division the best player drafted is an 3k salary with potential lvl 6. To be fair the system must have more or less the same players.

I totally agree with you on this.
The difference in the draft lists among different leagues in far too big. And I am not talking about the best one or two players.

Just to make an example concerning the potentials (but the same can be probably said about salary, age, roles...). There was not a single draftee with potential 8 or above in my current draftee list, while there were 6 in the draftee list of SerieA two seasons ago.

Last edited by Newton07 at 7/1/2010 4:28:58 AM

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149547.31 in reply to 149547.30
Date: 7/1/2010 5:27:20 AM
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TBH if you want everything to be equal, then there should be decent draftees only in div1, meaning their 3-rd round would be better draftees than div2 1-st round. We should not talk about guys over 1k salary at div5 level.
I like the changes, because now you have the suggested latter and no base draft points. You have a lot of options. You can scout early and see that those first 5 listed are not really decent and remove scouting investment. You can wait for the ASW and get to know all ages and height. You can go blind and draft Kwame Brown or Lebron James.
Everyone was saying how draft was boring etc. It is completely new now, with a lot of options and you can allocate your investments. Is draft the best it can be?, don't know but it's definately a major improvement.

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