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213427.21 in reply to 213427.20
Date: 4/20/2012 6:08:30 PM
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Here is an interesting scenario:

What player would you rather train?

A 5k 21year-old with all-time great potential
or
A 5k 18year-old with star potential?

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213427.22 in reply to 213427.21
Date: 4/20/2012 6:52:40 PM
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I would take none of them ;)
But if I would have to answer the question:
Definitely the second one, the first will never reach his potential, so why bother even trying.
His training will be very slow too.

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213427.23 in reply to 213427.21
Date: 4/21/2012 1:01:07 PM
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Here is an interesting scenario:

What player would you rather train?

A 5k 21year-old with all-time great potential
or
A 5k 18year-old with star potential?


Star potental is a complete waste of time to train. A 21 year HOF who is 5K has obviously been wasted...and there might be better prospects out there, but there is still hope for that player. Plus, if you train that guy up a bunch, there are suckers who wet their pants when they see Hall of Fame, and will overpay you for him later.

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213427.25 in reply to 213427.24
Date: 4/21/2012 1:33:48 PM
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A star potential player can be a solid starter for a low division team or a good player to come of the bench for pretty much any team. You can mold him so that he fits your special needs in your team.
But i would not have one as my main trainee. A great way for lower division teams to get cheap trainees though.


It's just not worth trianing a Star potential player if you have any desire to go anywhere in this game. I made the mistake of training low potential guys early in my BB career...and then I said "okay, nothing below Perennial Allstar going forward" and now I am saying nothing below MVP going forward. I just capped out out a Perennial Allstar player, and really wish I could keep training him for a while.

At least with Perennial Allstar you can take him up the 70K range, so he can be something solid and something you can sell and get some good money for. I really think it's giving the wrong message to inexperienced BBers that training a Star potential player is a good idea...For an experienced player, there might a specific circumstance where like you said, you can train a guy for a short time to mold him for a specific need on your team..

but in general, training lower level potential players is a waste of time and money.

Last edited by Jason at 4/21/2012 1:35:35 PM

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213427.27 in reply to 213427.26
Date: 4/21/2012 1:48:14 PM
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Ok, well, I have three good trainees--- Coleman (P-Allstar) Revfi (P-Allstar) and Kruger (Allstar) I only do the allstar and up. So if I drft guy with below that, I'll just sell or fire them. If a guy's potential is superstar and up,.......then I'm training him first!!!

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213427.28 in reply to 213427.23
Date: 4/21/2012 2:36:03 PM
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Here is an interesting scenario:

What player would you rather train?

A 5k 21year-old with all-time great potential
or
A 5k 18year-old with star potential?


Star potental is a complete waste of time to train. A 21 year HOF who is 5K has obviously been wasted...and there might be better prospects out there, but there is still hope for that player. Plus, if you train that guy up a bunch, there are suckers who wet their pants when they see Hall of Fame, and will overpay you for him later.


If you're starting in V, training a star potential guy is hardly a waste. Star potential players can definitely be the backbone of a team that promotes out of V and are still good enough to get out of IV and can be serviceable in III.

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Date: 4/21/2012 3:28:27 PM
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If you're starting in V, training a star potential guy is hardly a waste. Star potential players can definitely be the backbone of a team that promotes out of V and are still good enough to get out of IV and can be serviceable in III.


I really don't even know what this means....Any quality player is going to be the backbone of a team that helps them promotes...and if anything, for DV & DIV teams, its usually older veteran players that are picked up cheap that help them promote...Star players cap early anyway, so as they are being trained, their ratings are so low, they are hardly "the backbone" of a team.

Any team that has a mindset towards promoting through the ranks should have trainees that they can continue to build and grow with their team. Low Potential players do not qualify.

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Date: 4/21/2012 7:54:36 PM
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If you're starting in V, training a star potential guy is hardly a waste. Star potential players can definitely be the backbone of a team that promotes out of V and are still good enough to get out of IV and can be serviceable in III.


I really don't even know what this means....Any quality player is going to be the backbone of a team that helps them promotes...and if anything, for DV & DIV teams, its usually older veteran players that are picked up cheap that help them promote...Star players cap early anyway, so as they are being trained, their ratings are so low, they are hardly "the backbone" of a team.

Any team that has a mindset towards promoting through the ranks should have trainees that they can continue to build and grow with their team. Low Potential players do not qualify.


If you have the constraint that your initial trainees are the only guys you're ever allowed to train, sure, you have to start off with big potential guys and then hope you promote high enough fast enough so that they don't get too expensive to maintain. But the initial trainees aren't the last set of guys you ever train.

I suppose the backbone was the wrong word to use. I meant more of the "constant" -- the non-trainee positions are generally upgraded through the transfer list as team needs change, while the trainees are upgraded through their efforts in training. So just to use my team as an example, I had some veteran bigs that were good enough to start and succeed in V. As I moved to IV, the backup bigs got moved out, and then as I added a few more vets the old starters became backups and eventually replaced. Same with III - the guys who started and got me out are now backups or gone, and I've patched in a new set of bigs.

Now, of course, my guards are approaching their cap, but I'm already training my new set of big men trainees - and since I'm starting from III and aiming higher, *now* is the time where I have to have greater potential. Eventually, I suppose, I'll have to replace my guards with higher quality ones and use these guys as backups and maybe even someday sell them, but that's the price of progress.

Sometimes the biggest part of getting to where you want to go is making sure you can progress through the intermediate steps effectively. Training three guys who are good enough to play in the NBBA does no good if it happens while you're in a lower level and can't afford them (or to surround them with complimentary players to help move up).

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Date: 4/22/2012 1:42:15 AM
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There's always the option to sell them or train their secondaries first before they have become too big a fish in a small pond. Star potential is too low for bigs and perhaps barely acceptable for guards IMO.

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