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I like your long term plan - just a suggestion if you are able to train a u21 player and eventually turn him a national team player you dont have to go all local you will still get the merchandising boost - one of the teams in our country went all local and the difference is not that big. Man the guy who started this thread is confusing the noobs - I think Buzzerbeater is reacting to what league and division you are in. It is easy to throw numbers and say this and that. It has to make sense to your situation. Keep it up. One ball 4 u.

I learned the most, and am still learning, by looking at what the highest ranked teams in my league are doing. Sure you can't see everything, but the things you can see can quickly speed up the learning curve. Things like Arena size, ticket prices, enthusiasm (not explicit but easy to figure out), offensive/defensive strategies, transfer history, total player salaries, highest salaried player, player ages and I'm sure I'm missing a few, are easy things to emulate and/or incorporate into a new players strategy. Also, reading the forums, and doing an advanced google search (for non supporters) on the buzzer beater boards using keywords, can help new players get up to speed on the best strategies pretty quickly.

I also noticed (not scientific at all) that many players over expand their Arena, and I can match or exceed their ticket revenue with a smaller arena and higher prices.

Last edited by Big Chief Triangle at 1/9/2014 10:46:47 AM

Point #1
PR Managers aren't that important. I guess you could consider the $3000/wk to pay for a basic as an expense you don't need. I agree with your assessment. Its really splitting hairs though.
Point #2
Every player is an investment. As soon as you add a player to your team he is ultimately depreciating before your eyes. If he's young you can improve him and thereby beat the depreciation but that requires an investment in training and less than ideal roster. As for how much an "oldie" loses value. First of all, I trypically rent a player for 1-2 seasons. If he can stay longer than that he is either a trainee or he has remained valuable to me. Every season requires a review of your current condition and then a review of your roster in contention to a title or other condition. Secondly, a player who costs a lot to buy also has a holding cost. If you spend a bunch on a player that is less than you are able to spend elsewhere including more players. Therefore, unless the player is purchased at a super value, he is ultimately just a place setter for cash. Now in my situation I sold 3 players over 33 last week. Two of them I took a 100K loss on resale value. The other I actually gained 50,000 on the sale for a net loss of $150,000. Considering all 3 players helped me advance to Div III I was more than happy to rent them. Overall I had spent 600,000 to retain them. They lost me 150,000 as they were being held. That means overall they had only lost 25% of their value even though I held them each over 1-2 seasons. I would qualify them as good investments.
Lastly, I can pull value from my trainees. In Div III they are finally starting to carry their own weight. I don't think it was a bad idea to advance the way I did. Even though they were not as valuable as the rest of my roster "carried" them.

Point #3
I agree to an extent about the "golden season". This guide was written before overextension tax. Overall this makes it ideal to try to expand your arena before jumping up too high. However, its hard finding the right time to jump to the next division. But there is no reason to stay in Div V or Div IV longer than needed. Unless you are looking to make money off drafting which has also become easier since the odds of getting a good draftee has increased substantially for bot leagues before I published this originally. Overall recent changes has made it a bit more lucrative to take a slower approach to developing a team. However, when the title looks easy enough to grab its best to go ahead and go for it. Mostly because its easier to stay in a higher league than it is to advance up. Overall though I believe arena expansions have value. Although in my case I did overexpand some. Which likely cost me a title shot this season.

NY Mob>

Your approach is a good way to advance up the ranks. But what you lack currently is homegrown talent. This will cost you some overtime in merchandise and overextension taxes. Completely ignoring training will win you titles quicker. Also you have ignored arena expansions which in your strategy made sense because the payback is much slower than advancing up divisions.

If I had any suggestions it would be to take a season to expand. Then look at possibly buying some talented well-trained youth to add to your roster for training purposes. After 2-3 seasons of making your economy more stable you will be able to challenge for titles in Div 2.

Of course this is my opinion. Your strategy works excellently to advancing up the ranks quickly. It's a good strategy IMO.

That advice is quite good and something I have been considering. I wanted to get the taste of victory early but might transition to a more long term strategy. No doubt I need to keep expanding arena, but don't think I need as many seats as others in my league if I keep prices high. And I never intend to pay anything but a marginal over extention tax, if at all.

Saying that, it is damn tempting to make that title push even within a punchers chance, ha.

Last edited by Big Chief Triangle at 1/9/2014 1:13:56 PM

...No doubt I need to keep expanding arena, but don't think I need as many seats as others in my league if I keep prices high. ...

This is a fine strategy, until you have a couple of seasons where you don't have the promotion bonus to attendance. When fans start to lose that fresh feeling, you won't be able to support the high ticket prices needed for equal revenue.

Check out the attendance helper on the USA offsite tools. From that you can kinda see the attendance versus ticket price graph. In all nearly all cases, more filled seats with lower prices results in more revenue. Of course marginal return is declining, but you don't pay maintenance, so the only worry is the opportunity cost of using your money on arena expansion.

Last edited by Tangosz at 1/9/2014 1:39:59 PM

I think it's just for USA players- but it's also just drawing data from the USA games. So, I don't know how well it would apply to leagues in other countries.

Thanks for the heads up. I was never quite sure how much of a bump I got for promoting vs. how much was from just playing in a better division. Will keep that in mind.