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From: Isaiah

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Date: 8/26/2015 10:28:28 AM
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Hey Magiker, thanks for chiming in.

I've cooled off a little bit on the situation but still a little irritated.

I think my main beef with the situation was the fact that RamQ was persuaded into running. This to me just means that he didn't originally want to do it but did to make others happy. And the outcome, as we can see, wasn't the best.

I agree 100% that he was the best candidate on paper. He was active on discussion when I myself wasn't. He has been a long time member of the community and manager on BB, which was more than Knowledge. He had us beat on those aspects. But it still goes back to being persuaded. Why did this happen? Why, when there are others willing to do everything they can for the NT, did others persuade another manager to run instead?

In the end I just hope this doesn't happen again. If there were brand new D.V managers running and nobody else then I can see the argument. But that wasn't the situation.

Also, I just want it to be known that I voted for RamQ as well because I knew he was a great manager. So I was one of those that made the wrong vote too. But after all that has happened, I will not be voting again for a manager that has to be talked into running.

Last edited by Isaiah at 8/26/2015 10:30:03 AM

From: magiker

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Date: 8/26/2015 2:29:47 PM
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I agree RamQ was persuaded into running, and he might not have run without persuasion. But RamQ has run for NT coach before (without any persuading), so it's not like he had no interest in it himself. I think your jump from him being persuaded to run (he did agree to it) to the disappointing results is a huge stretch. And to not vote for someone on that basis is silly.

We agree at the time that he was the best candidate. Why should we have settled for a lesser candidate if we can get a better one? The reason he was persuaded to run, despite others willing to do everything they could for the NT, is because he was better! Saying that you're willing to do everything doesn't qualify someone as a better candidate. This is such a weird criticism. "We should have settled for a worse candidate because they said they were willing to do everything for the NT."

I was persuaded to run. I didn't want to do it originally, but no one else who was involved was really stepping up to the plate. Being persuaded has nothing to do with it.

In this thread you've blamed the people who persuaded RamQ, the voters, the election process, the offsite, and "well known managers." Stop it. None of these criticisms have any merit.

From: magiker

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Date: 8/26/2015 2:54:02 PM
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There are a lot of people on the offsite who spend a lot of time contributing. They train U21 or NT players, delve into upcoming game plans, help scouting and bb-mailing managers with top prospects, or even just give advice to other members on training potential future NT/U21 players. But everytime things don't go perfectly, people who contributed literally nothing to the NT start stamping their little feet and are indignant about something. We made 5 world's finals over the past 5 seasons, and people who contributed nothing to that are critical when the streak comes to an end. If you didn't care to contribute before, why do you care to criticize now?

From: Jason
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Date: 8/26/2015 3:01:53 PM
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This whole thing is kind of silly. The persuasion of someone running in the election is only good or bad with Hindsight. If someone persuaded a coach to run for the election and he turned out to be a great coach with great results, does that mean all future coaches should have to be persuaded? Of course not.


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Date: 8/27/2015 11:41:27 AM
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This whole thing is kind of silly. The persuasion of someone running in the election is only good or bad with Hindsight. If someone persuaded a coach to run for the election and he turned out to be a great coach with great results, does that mean all future coaches should have to be persuaded? Of course not.


Are you trying to persuade me to run for the NT? All you have to do is ask.

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273256.26 in reply to 273256.25
Date: 8/27/2015 7:09:14 PM
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Are you trying to persuade me to run for the NT? All you have to do is ask.


Heck no!! Have you seen what happened the last time someone was persuaded to run for NT?

Last edited by Jason at 8/27/2015 7:37:49 PM

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Date: 8/27/2015 9:17:53 PM
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Maybe we all should vote for the person less interested in the job and advertise on Yahoo Answers.

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Date: 8/29/2015 10:27:57 AM
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Heck no!! Have you seen what happened the last time someone was persuaded to run for NT?


No, what happened?

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Date: 8/29/2015 10:29:33 AM
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Excellent points Roy. Are you the solution?

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