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Orders

PRT Order of Prince Henry - Officer BAR.png Officer of the Order of Prince Henry[585]
PRT Ordem de Nossa Senhora da Conceicao de Vila Vicosa Cavaleiro ribbon.svg Medal of Merit, Order of the Immaculate Conception of Vila Viçosa (House of Bragança)[586]
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POR Ordem do Merito Comendador BAR.svg Commander of the Order of Merit[588]

Records



World

The most expensive footballer in history: 2009–2013[589]
Top goalscorer in the history of FIFA Club World Cup: 5 goals (shared with Lionel Messi, César Delgado and Luis Suárez)[590][591]
Most international goals in a calendar year: 25 (in 2013, shared with Vivian Woodward and Lionel Messi)[592]
First footballer to reach 40 goals in a professional league for two consecutive seasons[592]
Only player to score in every minute of an official football game[240]
Only player to win the League title, Domestic Cup, Domestic Supercup, Champions League, Club World Cup, League Player of the Year, Golden Shoe and Ballon d'Or at two different clubs (Manchester United and Real Madrid)[593][594]
Only player to win the League title, Domestic Cup, Domestic Supercup, Champions League, Club World Cup, League Player of the Year, Golden Shoe and Ballon d'Or at two different league (England Premier League and La Liga)[595][596]
Most appearances in the FIFPro World XI: 9 times (2007–2015) (shared with Lionel Messi)[597]
First and only player to appear in the FIFPro World XI for two different clubs.
Only player to have won more than one FIFA Club World Cup Silver Ball.[598]
Guinness World Record for Most Liked Person on Facebook: 2015[458]
Only player in the world who has scored in 7 consecutive major international tournaments : the 2004, 2008, 2012 and 2016 editions of the European Championship; and the 2006, 2010 and 2014 editions of the World Cup.[599]


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Europe

Most goals scored in all UEFA competitions: 137 goals[600]
First player to reach 100 career goals in European competitions (club football)[307]
First player to reach 100 goals in the UEFA Champions League[600]
Most goals scored in European competitions (club football): 103 goals
Most goals scored in the UEFA Champions League: 100 goals
Most goals scored in a UEFA Champions League/European Cup season: 17 goals in 2013–14[601]
Most goals scored in the UEFA Champions League group stage: 11 goals in 2015–16[282][283]
Most goals scored in UEFA Champions League knockout phase: 45 goals
Most UEFA Champions League goals scored in a calendar year: 15 goals in 2013[602]
Only player to score 15 or more UEFA Champions League goals in two different seasons: in 2013–14 and 2015–16[603]
The first player in the history of UEFA Champions League to score three hat-tricks in a single season: in 2015–16[603]
First footballer to have won the European Golden Shoe in two different leagues: English Premier League (2007–08) and Spanish La Liga (2010–11, 2013–14, 2014–15)[604]
Most goals scored in the UEFA European Championship, including qualifying: 29 goals, for Portugal[375]
Most career goals at UEFA European Championship finals: 9 goals, for Portugal (shared with Michel Platini)[605]
Only player to have scored at four UEFA European Championship finals: 2004, 2008, 2012, 2016[605]
Only player to have scored three or above (goals) at more than one UEFA European Championship finals: 3 goals in 2012 and in 2016[605]
Most headed goals at UEFA European Championship finals: 5[605]
Highest appearance-maker at UEFA European Championship finals: 20 appearances[605]
Most goals scored in UEFA European Championship and European FIFA World Cup qualifiers: 44 goals[600]
First player to ever score 10 goals in five consecutive UEFA Champions League seasons: 2011–12 to 2015–16
Only player to score for two different winning teams in the European Cup Final: Manchester United (2007–08) and Real Madrid (2013–14)[606]
Most away goals scored in Champions League history: 42 goals[607]
Most consecutive UEFA Champions League away games scored in: 12
Most wins in the UEFA Champions League Knockout phase: 29 wins
Most braces scored in the UEFA Champions League: 20
Most European Golden Shoe awards: 4
Most UEFA Team of the Year appearances: 10 times[608]
Most consecutive appearances in the UEFA Team of the Year: 9 (2007–2015)
Only player to appear in more than one position in the UEFA Team of the Year.[608]
Only player to be among the finalists for all the editions of the UEFA Best Player in Europe Award: 2010–11 to 2015–16[609]
Fastest player to score 350 goals for one club (335 games)[610]
Most UEFA Best Player in Europe awards: 3 (2008, 2014, 2016) (shared with Lionel Messi)

Spain

Most hat-tricks in La Liga history: 32[611]
Most goals scored from penalty kicks in La Liga history: 57[305]
Fastest La Liga player to score 150 league goals (140 games)[612]
Fastest La Liga player to score 200 league goals (178 games)[255]
Fastest player to reach 300 official club goals[citation needed]
Most goals scored in Madrid Derby matches: 18[296][297]
Most consecutive Clásico matches scored in: 6 matches[613]
Best scoring start in a Spanish league season: 15 goals in eight rounds[251]
Fastest player to reach 20 league goals in one season: 12 games (missed one game due to injury)[614]
Only player to reach 30 goals in six consecutive La Liga seasons[615]
Most teams scored against in a season (2012–13): 19 (shared with Ronaldo and Lionel Messi)[616]
Most La Liga hat-tricks in a season: 8 hat-tricks (shared with Lionel Messi)[617]
Most hat-tricks scored in all competitions: 36[618]


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Real Madrid

Real Madrid all-time top goalscorer: 396 goals[619]
Top goalscorer in La Liga: 279 goals[citation needed]
Fastest player to reach 50 league goals[620]
Fastest player to reach 100 league goals[621]
Fastest player to reach 200 official goals[622]
Fastest player to reach 250 official goals[citation needed]
Most goals scored in seven consecutive league matches: 15 goals[623]
First player to score in eight consecutive matchdays[624]
Most hat-tricks in Real Madrid's history: 38[citation needed]
Real Madrid Record Goalscorer in UEFA Champions League: 85 goals[citation needed]
Real Madrid Record Goalscorer in European Competitions: 87 goals*

Until december. I think he has scored more goals.

Stats don't lie!


This year he started playing late La Liga, he was injured for several weeks from the Euro.
I don´t know why do you take out penalties. It´s possible that as Cristiano has better % than Messi you have to equilibrate it.
I repeat, Messi is a great player but Cristiano is even better. I don´t need to underestimate Messi as Cris haters do.
But if you compare both player records in Champions League, after groups phase, there is no comparision.


I´d like him to play for Spain and i´m sure he´d led England to get a tittle.

Best regards



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After all these statistics of Ronaldo I remain further Messi's fan.
Of course because stats also say that Messi is the better player. He didn't show Messi's stats, but when he beat Real the other night he scored his 500th goal with Barcelona a number that Ronaldo will never equal for Madrid.

The only people who say Ronaldo is better than Messi are pretty much:
a) Portuguese people
b) Real Madrid fans

When people will look back at these 2 it will be exactly like LeBron and Durant. Both MVPs, both all time great talents, but only one in the conversation for greatest of all time. Really Messi is the only player who will be in the conversation with Pele and Maradona.

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F group, last game vs Hungary. He scored 2 goals to tie the match and qualify Portugal.
1/2 Final, he opened the score vs. Welsh winning the eliminatory.

Re-read the names dude. Freaking Hungary and Wales. WALES!!!

It's like hailing LeBron James for leading the troops in the sweep against the Pistons last season. Really? Hungary and Wales...

You can prefer Bulls or Lakers, but only C´s the best franchise:)
Greatest franchise ever are the Lakers. They have more banners AND you do not need history books to look up their success. Yeah C's had a dynasty in the 60s when winning was a lot easier, a bit like Real in the 50s.

Cristiano "little" performance
Man, I proved that he scores less than Morata (and, of course both Messi and Suarez), while you claimed he's the best striker in the world...I did the math for you!!!!


La Liga: 2011–12; ok
UEFA Champions League: 2013–14, 2015–16; ok
Copa del Rey: 2010–11, 2013–14; third rate competition
Supercopa de España: 2012; third rate competition
UEFA Super Cup: 2014; second rate competition
FIFA Club World Cup: 2014, 2016; third rate competition

Messi:
La Liga: 2004–05, 2005–06, 2008–09, 2009–10, 2010–11, 2012–13, 2014–15, 2015–16
UEFA Champions League: 2005–06, 2008–09, 2010–11, 2014–15
I do not list second and third rate competitions which only count on paper and nothing else. Messi leads in those too, for good measure.

From the time Ronaldo went to Madrid, Messi won 5x titles to Ronaldo's 1. This is the difference between the 2: 5 to 1

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FIFA Ballon d'Or: 2013, 2014
Messi:
FIFA Ballon d'Or: 2009, 2010, 2011, 2012, 2015

That's all you need to remember. Until Ronaldo has the same number of Ballon d'Or as Messi he's not in the same conversation. If a miracle happens and he ties the total tally, then we can talk about the rest of his third, fourth or 5th rate awards like those from Portugal or those which have nothing to do with football.

Dude did you even read your own list? BBC personality of the year???? Media attraction??????????


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Orders

PRT Order of Prince Henry - Officer BAR.png Officer of the Order of Prince Henry[585]
PRT Ordem de Nossa Senhora da Conceicao de Vila Vicosa Cavaleiro ribbon.svg Medal of Merit, Order of the Immaculate Conception of Vila Viçosa (House of Bragança)[586]
PRT Order of Prince Henry - Grand Officer BAR.png Grand officer of the Order of Prince Henry[587]
POR Ordem do Merito Comendador BAR.svg Commander of the Order of Merit[588]
lol

How desperate are you? Comendador? Officer of the Order of Prince Henry? PRT of the Order of the Immaculate Conception????????? Do you read what you post?

The most expensive footballer in history: 2009–2013[589] lol
First footballer to reach 40 goals in a professional league for two consecutive seasons[592]ok
Only player to score in every minute of an official football game[240] lol
Only player to win the League title, Domestic Cup, Domestic Supercup, Champions League, Club World Cup, League Player of the Year, Golden Shoe and Ballon d'Or at two different clubs (Manchester United and Real Madrid)[593][594]gotta thank sir Alex, Rooney and Giggsy
Only player to win the League title, Domestic Cup, Domestic Supercup, Champions League, Club World Cup, League Player of the Year, Golden Shoe and Ballon d'Or at two different league (England Premier League and La Liga)[595][596] gotta thank sir Alex, Rooney and Giggsy
First and only player to appear in the FIFPro World XI for two different clubs. lol
Only player to have won more than one FIFA Club World Cup Silver Ball.[598] lol
Guinness World Record for Most Liked Person on Facebook: 2015[458] lol
Only player in the world who has scored in 7 consecutive major international tournaments : the 2004, 2008, 2012 and 2016 editions of the European Championship; and the 2006, 2010 and 2014 editions of the World Cup.[599] ok

Messi
Most Ballons d'Or (including FIFA World Player of the Year and FIFA Ballon d'Or): 5 (2009–12, 2015)
Most consecutive Ballons d'Or: 4
Youngest two-time and three-time Ballon d'Or winner: 23 and 24 years old
Top goalscorer in all club competitions in a calendar year: 79 goals in 2012
Top goalscorer in all club competitions in a season: 73 goals in 2011–12
Longest goalscoring run in a domestic league: 21 matches, 33 goals in 2012–13
Only player to have won more than one FIFA Club World Cup Golden Ball.

The guy scored 73 goals in a season and you talk about Ronaldo being a better goal scorer????????????



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This year he started playing late La Liga, he was injured for several weeks from the Euro.
I don´t know why do you take out penalties. It´s possible that as Cristiano has better % than Messi you have to equilibrate it.
I repeat, Messi is a great player but Cristiano is even better. I don´t need to underestimate Messi as Cris haters do.
But if you compare both player records in Champions League, after groups phase, there is no comparision.
Aaah the injuries! Look, if you get Morata to take those penalties he will look much better than Ronaldo. He'd have 18 goals on 21 games which would in fact place him second behind Messi for goals/game.

Without penalties:
Messi has now scored 29 goals and 40 goals+assist in 30 games. 0.967 average per game
Suarez is just behind 24 goals and 38 goals+ assist in 32 games. 0.774 average
Ronaldo 13 goals and 19 goals+assists in 25 games. 0.520 average
Morata!!!! 12 goals and 15 goals+assists in 21 game. 0.571 average
Data: transfermarkt.com

Conclusion:
Morata is a more efficient striker than Ronaldo. He's also 24 while Ronaldo is 32.
Also both Messi and Suarez are substantially better forwards than Ronaldo this season.

I´d like him to play for Spain and i´m sure he´d led England to get a tittle.
You'd love Iniesta and the rest of the Barcelona players to carry him to championships? I see, but he doesn't need that, his Portuguese teammates were good enough to win the final in the Euros without him.

England would not win anything with Ronaldo all the same.

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Good luck with this one lol :D
Anyone can take meaningless lines from Wikipedia without even bothering to read what he's copying and pasting.

However even there, you can see that the list of accomplishments and awards for Messi are substantially more than Ronaldo.

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