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How can a micronation team have less chance to win if?

You are focusing too much on the theoretical side of it, have you even scouted micronations? Do you actually know their team compositions or the full reality of their leagues?


I don't want you to interpret in a wrong way, since I am trying to improve micronations in general, I have been very involved with them for many seasons now, and you should just take a look and scout micronations leagues.


Facts that easily disprove your claim:

1. If smaller nations were to be beneffited as much as you claim they are, they would have won a B3, or be very competitive in the B3 and have super strong teams, is this the case in the last 20 seasons?

False

2. It's true that it's much easier to be a champion in micronations, but has that translated in International success?

False

3. Do teams from micronations tend to have easier path to reach the last rounds in B3?
No, they can barely reach it, except very select few of very good teams, and even then, teams from mid-sized or bigger nations are ALWAYS the favorites to win against top teams from micronations

False

4. Can train without any big issues? The training success rate for smaller nations is MINIMAL, compared with bigger nations, also NT players are ALWAYS behind in terms of skillset compared with the best NT players in the bigger nations.

5. Can make Money faster if not compete at max possible of his chance

True

6. Can easily build NT players of his country, for sure a good player of a micronation can play more years in NT?

True

But has that translated in International success for this team? Also as previously stated the NT players of micronations are almost always less complete, with less TSP and less stronger than mid-sized and bigger countires (75+ users).

Important distinction

Just because they can easily have a player in the NT, they have a huge DISVANTAGE, their draft is much smaller, good players are much rarer.

Do you really want to compare a nation like Italy around 70 MVP's and 50 Hall of Famers, JUST in the 18 year old draft, every single season?

Compare that with a nation like Sakartvelo, that drafts 5 MVP's and 2 Hall of Famers, every single season?

Look at it this way

Italy has 14x more drafted 18y, MVP's and 25x more drafted Hall of Famers, just in the 18y category, every season, do you even think that this is fair?!

We all know that to win B3 your player needs to have a very good skillset, the chance of a player having the necessary skillset when drafted, and the necessary potential is INFINITELY much smaller in Micronations compared to Italy, for example.


7. Only knowledge they can't buy but there are forums for that and lot of people Happy to talk about BB

I highly disagree, 99.5% of managers don't know what is the most optimal way to use the elastic effect in micronations, 99% don't even know how to make a player reach 150 TSP, nations like Italy have this knowledge and experience while users in micronations do not.


Please don't take it badly, I just think that your idea of the reality of micronations is very different, to their actual reality, believe me when I say it, only when a team is EXTREMELY good in micronations they may even dream of reaching B3 final phases. Meanwhile bigger countries like China, Belgium, Spain, are always, ALWAYS competing for the B3 title, every single season.

Cheers

Last edited by Coach Sergio at 1/28/2024 2:13:25 PM

As a matter of fact we are consistently seeing nations like China or Hong Kong, where the top 1 team of that country can sustain salaries like 1.5M (bigshoes), you can see that some Chinese teams have 1.3M salary this season. Tell me how many micronation teams are in the 1M+ salary bracket, compared to bigger leagues? That % will maybe, be 10% or less.

You, my friend, are absolutely right about micronations.

It may seem that the game can be easier there for someone who played this game many years in a competitive country, but nothing could be further from the truth in their reality.

I myself am a micronations u21 nt coach and you are completely right about the managers not knowing half the crucial things of training. I don't blame them, most of which only play the game to have fun because they enjoy it this way. In fact it's a matter of numbers and I think I can prove it...

Spain have the most users playing BB among all of the countries, and of course this is a big part in their success, but there are not as many implicated users as someone could imagine of.
Every staff have 5 to 10 people "working" on them and 50-100 users dedicated to fully train the players, almost 90% of them on u21 terms, because once the players reach certain age and salary, they no longer play for "new" teams.

That's a lot of managers, but still is around 4-8% of total country users.

Imagine that % in a country with only 8-15 users.

But this is exactly the point my friend, Folgado is Folgado because he's in the Spanish community.

There are no Folgado's in micronations, because they don't have the same community, the same competitiveness, the same engagement and the same level of knowledge

You brought this point, and compared micronations and very small nations saying that the fact that they earn as much as bigger nations like Italy is unfair and I brought you the facts that it does not change anything them earning more, that is all

Besides the name of this post is literally ''Economic revenue nation by nation'', success of teams from micronations in B3 is one of the most important metrics, because it shows if the top teams that compete in easier leagues like micronations and small nations, have it easier or not.

And in this case, your claim goes out of the window, because as we can see only 3 teams out of the last 32 teams in B3 are from micronations. That is around 9% of teams from micronations, 91% from mid-sized, bigger nations.



Last edited by Coach Sergio at 1/28/2024 2:21:46 PM

I do agree with your point, but not knowing is the same as not having chances

Listen the thing is, the results show it, there is no worry that you should have regarding micronations, nobody is abusing the ''easier'' system, relax and don't worry too much about them, if it would be easy for them to win B3 or have more possibility regarding international competitions I would understand but right now they are innofensive

what about making teams' TV revenue and merchandising being linked to the NT performances?
i mean, not exclusively, but NT performances having a considerable weight on the TV and merchandising formulas.

It's already the case for the merchandising, a NT player from France (currently 5th) gives more merchandising than a player from Belgium (#20) for example ;)

So it's true that a player from a micronation will have more chance to play in NT than a player from a big country but he will give less money.

The difference in merchandise is around 0.1% or anyway minimal, I don't remember the exact figure, per position in the standings, not as much as you're saying. You know this very well, and I don't understand why you continue to use it as an argument.

If it's not about B3/BBM what is the interest of this thread? I mean, you can change the worldwide economy in all the ways you want that will change nothing for the italian users inside Italy, they are currently all in the same conditions and changing the economy won't help them lol.

It's true, but it's frustrating to compete in a market where users from micro-countries are printing money and can steal players from users in countries that earn money through hard work.

So yes it's all about B3 and BBM (in BBM tier 1 the balance between the biggest countries and the other ones is even more in favour of the biggest ones, China, Poland and Spain have almost won everything) and as Coach sergio demonstrates to you the italian teams are not disadvantaged compared to teams from micronations. Teams from Spain, Poland or China are there to prove it. The fact is that currently the italian managers are less good, and that has nothing to see with the economy.

Coach Sergio hasn't really proven anything. I don't think it's a matter of Italian users not being skilled; actually, the fact that Italian users are more skilled works against them. For instance, you in Belgium or Tuoki in Finland can focus on the B3 because you can win easily in the league and cup, while in Italy, it's much more challenging. Put someone like John Peterson in a micronation, and he would probably have some B3 trophies in his showcase.