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I First of all, within the next season or so, it will soon become very clear that only top division teams can afford the top-salaried players, so you can start by looking there.

I know that this is a bit off-topic, Mark, but doesn't this say that there is a bit of a problem with the amount of money teams make in BB? It seems like a problem if a team stuck in division III or IV for a few seasons has the ability to train a player to NT levels, but not afford to keep him...

If I am reading too much into this, feel free to point that out.

I wish there were a couple of posts after this one... could someone in the know elaborate?

Just for comparison's sake, if there's an England national team caliber player in the 3rd division, don't you think they'd end up in the EPL pretty quick?

Just for comparison's sake, if there's an England national team caliber player in the 3rd division, don't you think they'd end up in the EPL pretty quick?

I'm not so certain I follow you, Brian.

Assuming there's an English team in division III that has a player of national team caliber (or even is on England's NT), you seem to contend that said team would be a shoe-in for advancement. Well, at present, this is likely the case, as England has but a handful of active managers, and likely has a rather limited player pool (I can't really say I know; tinydantzler would likely know better than anyone).

[There is, however, the possibility of such a player being the only player of merit on said team, and there are a number of factors that could prevent said team from rising through the ranks due to misfortune to their NT player (i.e., injury or foul trouble causing the team to lose games). As a side note, if this team was in my league, I would play my best defenders against him, even if they were out of position, knowing the rest of his team is utter crap.]

I think England is a lousy example, though, as there are less than 250 active teams.

Assume there is a team in division III in Spain, Italy, Germany, France, Turkey, USA, Brazil, Portugal, Israel, Greece, or Argentina with a NT player. The simple fact that there are teams in division IV (and V, in some cases) in these countries means more competition on lower levels. Only 16 teams (out of 256, mind you) can leave division III for the greener pastures of division II in season. The way the playoffs are structured, the team in question could face a crunch time in the first round and be knocked out, and could possibly face repeated seasons in III.

Without being much more verbose, it is also rather likely that you are correct (if I even managed to understand you correctly in the first place).

I'm not so certain I follow you, Brian.

As an example I was using soccer in england, which has promotion and relegation. If there's a national team quality player on a team in a lower division, and some point a top team in the top league (english premier league) would end up transferring them in.

Or say for baseball in the states, if a player is MLB quality and is in AA, at some point soon they'll get called into the majors.

So, it wouldn't make a lot of sense if the best players in BB played in lower leagues if the game is being modeled after real life sports. "The creme rises to the top"

So I didn't understand you after all.

What you seem to be saying with your RL analogy is that any team in division III or lower should sell NT caliber players to teams in higher divisions. Right?

What you seem to be saying with your RL analogy is that any team in division III or lower should sell NT caliber players to teams in higher divisions. Right?

Yes, but to a point. At some point the very best players should end up in the highest divisions since that's what happens in real life. Otherwise what's the point of competition, or having a sports "simulation"?

It's up to the manager to hold onto a player or not, even if they choose to hold onto a very expensive player to the detriment of their own club. A manager's goal should be to win and promote, not have the best player(s) in the world.

Please don't infer this as meaning that I believe the best players should be given to the top teams or that top teams should be entrenched at the top. Movement between divisions shouldn't be reliant on having one amazingly skilled player over having a depth of good players.

Please don't infer this as meaning that I believe the best players should be given to the top teams

I think I did, and I apologise. My original post in this thread (4865.21) was in response to BB-Mark saying that in a season or so all national team players will be affordable exclusively to top level teams.

It's up to the manager to hold onto a player or not, even if they choose to hold onto a very expensive player to the detriment of their own club. A manager's goal should be to win and promote, not have the best player(s) in the world.
or that top teams should be entrenched at the top. Movement between divisions shouldn't be reliant on having one amazingly skilled player over having a depth of good players.

I completely agree with this. However, training being set up the way it is currently, it is awfully hard to train a good, multi-skilled SF without also training some other members of your team (particularly in skills such as driving, rebounding, and jump shot). I also doubt most managers would bother to train only one position (and a backup) for very long. [I hate to bring up hattrick references, but less than 7% of managers train keepers simply because it doesn't improve enough of your team at once.]

I truly hope it is at least 4 seasons before all the NT players are mired in the top two divisions. I'd also like to see U21 teams come about, if for no other reason than to give lower division managers a taste of the NT experience.

I think I did, and I apologise

No apology necessary, just clarifying the statement as it'd be easy to infer that, esp coming from an NBBA team.

Also, a very good player could come out of a regular mutli player system and now even more so since they'll be doubling young player training.

Most of my concerns with making it worthwhile to win and promote are due to experiences in hattrick. Long term, it seems better to sit it out in lower divisions than to aim for DIII and above.

Also, a very good player could come out of a regular mutli player system and now even more so since they'll be doubling young player training.

That was part of my point; that most teams will use a multi-player training system, even when training NT players, as more players can be trained and more of the team improves at once. Training a single position seems completely counter-productive in anything but short-term applications.

Most of my concerns with making it worthwhile to win and promote are due to experiences in hattrick. Long term, it seems better to sit it out in lower divisions than to aim for DIII and above.

I agree that the HT system is flawed, but it seems BB has done a great job of making promotion a better option than squatting in a low division and attempting a long cup run. We should see in a few seasons how it's working.