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i think ideally, to be competitive, you are looking at salaries like this for a top team. This is off course an estimate.

PG 100-125k
SG 125-150k
SF 75-100k
PF 125-150k
C 125-150k

I appreciate it that our swedish friend all the time talks about ideal (and thus high salary players), but I dont think this is sustainable for top league teams in a competitive league that the EBBL is.

ideally we want 200k+ players in the NT.

but realisticly we want 100-150k well rounded players...

What i think would be useful is examples of good skillsets that come to 100k, 150k and 200k salaries for each position, bearing in mind that within each position there may be a few variations that would be more suited to certain offenses.

i know there would be a lot of judgement, debate and some degree of guess work to get close to these salary limits but having something/anything would be a great start to build on and a good guide for trainers and nt staff guiding other trainers.

Happy to do this privately (bbmail me) if any of you want to. I value all opinions and ideas - its all good for me and it will be good to help set some standards to work towards :)

when i get back to my computer (generally on a laptop these days) ill try play around with an old salary calculator and some skill mixes myself to see what i can come up with! i dont mind putting stuff out there for opinions :)

coming monday and tuesday I am off and I will play around with the salary calculator and send you my idea off what is a good player.

i wont do this on the forum, because with 1000 coaches you get 1000 opinions and i dont want to be involved in endless discussions with people that are from outside our own community, or get 999 other opinions especially from people that have never played on the highest level and that cant know what is needed to compete at the highest level...

again you assume things that never has been said.

Ditto

I didn´t say anything about 300k players....


I like to read and write English. It´s good training for me. I just learned a new word (quibble) and maybe I´ll learn from someone how to use it correctly. I´m not here to make your life miserable and I really don´t worry too much about that.

I think you said you´re not going to be the running the NT after this season, and that you´ve also said that because of that you don´t want to give any directions on how to train for the national team as the next coach might have another opinion. Therefor I felt this was a thread I could join and practice my english on a subject I´m interested in.

Quibble is a great word! Its when you argue, generally harmlessly, about the smaller things.
Quite a lot of quibbling goes on in our threads :)

cant wait to hear...

800k salaries is sustainable when winning 17+ games a season in the EBBL.

I'm operating at 730k salary at the start of this season, and I'm making over 100k every week that I'm in the tournament. If I get knocked out of the tournament, I'll probably drop down to 650k salary and protect my profit margin.

200k salary on one player is perfectly manageable, Guyer was up around that mark for a while. 300k is probably a bit extreme.

I could take on Austin and still make a profit with a bit of tweaking of my line up - but he's rubbish. He was rubbish aged 19 when he was on sale as a 7'4" free agent with 16-11-11 inside skills. Yeah, he was a great U21 NT player but as a club player he is little more than useless in terms of performance per salary dollar.

And even if I 'fixed' him, I could only really sort out one of his passing or his OD, so he'd still only be a temporary help.

I'm beginning to think we should target peren allstar and superstar potential players at the U21s and train up MVP+ potentials with salary-efficiency and optimal performance at 26 as their main goal.

Last edited by Elmacca at 11/10/2011 5:26:44 PM

your last sentence makes absolute sense, and provided there are enough trainers out there to give some inside players at allstar, PA, and SS solid inside training for a few seasons, the U21 performance wont suffer either.

I'm beginning to think we should target peren allstar and superstar potential players at the U21s and train up MVP+ potentials with salary-efficiency and optimal performance at 26 as their main goal.

we agree on something. this is what i am trying to say all along, but maybe in my english it doesnt get across very well. you worded perfectly what i wanted to say.

this is my draftee for this season. ideally he gets more outside training. but even if he doesnt get that, and he is trained to inside skill levels like austin, he will be a much better player... (unless you value SB alot).

Craig Thom (22793669) Power Forward
Age: 18
Height: 6'11" / 211 cm
Potential: MVP
Game Shape: respectable
Jump Shot: respectable Jump Range: pitiful
Outside Def.: average Handling: inept
Driving: respectable Passing: respectable
Inside Shot: average Inside Def.: average
Rebounding: respectable Shot Blocking: awful
Stamina: inept Free Throw: mediocre

Experience: atrocious

It is fine by me as well, though of course I will still accept these higher potential players if they have the skills required;)

Would everyone be interested in starting that with this season 18 year olds, or do you think that it'd still be doable for the 19 year olds as well?

some more players on TL with potential.

First guy I am not sure, great starting skills and potential, but very weak secondaries. I prefer better secondaries, but he could be turned into a nice guard anyway.

Shooting Guard Nick Lavender (22793670) ç
Owner: Gausón
Weekly salary: $ 3 543
Age: 18
Height: 6'0" / 183 cm
Potential: MVP
Game Shape: respectable
Jump Shot: respectable Jump Range: mediocre
Outside Def.: respectable Handling: average
Driving: pitiful Passing: average
Inside Shot: atrocious Inside Def.: atrocious
Rebounding: atrocious Shot Blocking: pitiful
Stamina: pitiful Free Throw: respectable

Experience: atrocious


This guy is 19 and is lacking some training. But he could be turned in an awesome player. with 1vs1 for forwards, he could get atleast 2 perhaps 3 pops IS, and that would make him a very nice guard... For U21 probably not good enough. This is almost the perfect player to be trained for the NT...

Hieronymus Scott (22794177)
Owner: ForeverMU

Weekly salary: $ 4 434
Age: 19
Height: 6'2" / 188 cm
Potential: hall of famer
Game Shape: respectable
Jump Shot: mediocre Jump Range: respectable
Outside Def.: respectable Handling: mediocre
Driving: average Passing: awful
Inside Shot: respectable Inside Def.: inept
Rebounding: mediocre Shot Blocking: awful
Stamina: respectable Free Throw: average

Experience: atrocious