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From: SREZ

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Date: 6/5/2012 7:37:27 PM
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After Donovan develops and I go back to training bigs I am most likely going to do this (of course this may be in seasons time, but still). I'm trying to create players that will have lower salaries but still perform at the same level if not better than the regularly trained player. I honestly believe that a quadruple 12 player would be more valuable on my club team than a triple 14 player, but of course this can't be said as a fact unless I have successfully trained this type of player. Perhaps I will purchase a HoF NT/U21 prospect Canadian, and try this method out on him! ;)

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From: Big Dogs

To: SREZ
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Date: 6/5/2012 11:15:50 PM
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Why not some small country like the Bahamas? :)

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Date: 6/6/2012 2:53:45 AM
Zwölf
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if you trained a Center who has triple 14's in the big man primaries, a 6 in SB, and 1's in every other skill that big's salary would be about 65k.

Now you take 2 pops from each of the primaries and add them to SB, to make your trainee a quadruple 12 player. This player still has atrocious in every other skill. The salary of this player would be about 44k.


Now we need someone to do his because the question is now, are those 6 pops in Sb worth the 2 pop loss in IS/ID/REB?

This question depends very much on the offense the opponent is running. If they have an outside offense, SB isn't that useful. As well as IS is pretty much a waste of money if your team plays RnG.
So I'm trying to say, it'll be hard to prove that question, but great of course if someone tries it :)
rubbercube

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Date: 6/6/2012 7:11:30 AM
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[quoteThis question depends very much on the offense the opponent is running. If they have an outside offense, SB isn't that useful. As well as IS is pretty much a waste of money if your team plays RnG.
So I'm trying to say, it'll be hard to prove that question, but great of course if someone tries it :)
rubbercube


Not specific/clear. SB isn't useful against the outside shooting? Or it does you no good to have SB on inside players, when they are running an outside offense?

1st way, I disagree
2nd way, That would depend on your defensive tactics you had slected now wouldn't it?

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Date: 6/6/2012 11:25:15 AM
Zwölf
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My bad I was unclear.
I meant that if the opponent runs an outside offense, high SB on any of your players doesn't prove as useful as it would if the opponent ran for example Look inside. Of course SB affects outside shooting too (I think I've seen even three balls being blocked), but it is way more useful inside, against driving layups and dunks and so on. Even the game manual says: "SB. --. Not very useful for perimeter players." I assume that this means SB is not very useful AT the perimeter, nor is it completely useless there. Of course SB can be very useful for guards too if you play MtM and the opponent's guards drive to the hoop.
When it comes to the big guys, I think SB is always useful for them (if we think about defence), because even if the opponent was runnin an outside offense, there will be many driving layups anyway. I'm just saying that it's more useful if the opponent has Look inside or Low post as their tactic.
Hope this was more spesific :)
rubbercube


Last edited by rubbercube at 6/6/2012 11:29:36 AM

From: Rycka

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Date: 6/6/2012 5:47:23 PM
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there are some misleading explanations in the game manual regarding the game engine and the tactics..


while the game evolved a bit, i do agree on this... but

game manual and BB statements tell how the engine should work..
if everything was as it's intended to be, we wouldn't be discussing the effectiveness of shot blocking here..


game manual never should be informative at such level, that everybody would know, how to play. informative game manual would create 65k users of knowing step by step everything. use your brains to be at the top, manual is there to help you.

From: Yuck

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Date: 6/6/2012 9:12:15 PM
Cassville Yuck
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I got a little project i just started where i will train up 3 PF/C's that will get the same treatment in IS as many give SB. No training that is.
They will have three skills trained ID, RB and SB. Then guard skills to make up for their lack of scoring on the inside. They will also have somewhere between 9 and 12 in OD and 8-10 in PA.
Will be real fun to see what they will do when their done

From: Isaiah

To: SREZ
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Date: 6/8/2012 12:03:17 PM
Smallfries
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You are very correct with the triple 12 player performing better and being more valuable for your team. The problem everyone is having is that SB numbers dont show up very much. A guy may have 1.5 blocks per game in a season and everyone is going to say that it it useless because it only disrupted 1.5 shots during the game. That is incorrect. SB effects several plays throughout a game. A guy with 12 ID and 12 SB will provide better defense and allow a lower percentage of shooting from their opponents as well as disrupt layups from the guards. However, it will only disrupt the guards if you are playing a zone. But that is the purpose of SB really I believe in this game is to run the zones more efficiently. Everyone says the 2-3 zone doesnt work, when in fact it isnt that it doesnt work, its the fact that nobody builds a center qualified to run it. Hopefully when I finish my SB study it will be able to show you guys the value in SB. But right now where it stands, I dont think a starting center should have SB lower than 9. Any lower will result in a big giving up a higher percentage of shooting then they are really worth.

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