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Testing the "empty lineup prevention" code in Private League matches

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259887.214 in reply to 259887.213
Date: 1/9/2015 8:47:08 PM
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So, are we eliminating the empty lineup in Season 30 or not? I sure hope not

FWIW, I've been filling my depth chart in private league games (LCD) & there is a dramatic drop-off in performance. The coach just doesn't know how to decide wisely, letting 1st stringers get way too many minutes.

To clarify, I'm using the word "dramatic" to mean 5% - 10%

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Date: 1/10/2015 7:40:45 AM
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I hope empty-lineups were banned from the game because it eliminates the fun of figuring out the most effective lineups yourself, handing that job over to the bot-coatch. Or then the coatches should be made stupider so that empty-boxing and LCD wouldnt work so well.

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Date: 1/10/2015 7:54:09 AM
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Date: 1/10/2015 1:54:17 PM
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I hope empty-lineups were banned from the game because it eliminates the fun of figuring out the most effective lineups yourself, handing that job over to the bot-coatch. Or then the coatches should be made stupider so that empty-boxing and LCD wouldnt work so well.


I disagree. I put a team together, guards, forwards & centers. Regardless of whether I fill the depth chart, it is those players who win or lose games. The fact is that empty lineups are the best way to get the most out of your team's talent.

Empty lineups actually let the coach's decide much more than is the case when the depth chart is filled:
-the coach selects the starting lineup (always wisely, in my experience)
-the coach evaluates what players are on the court at every whistle, facilitating a far more effective rotation. You will see far more substitutions using an empty lineup. The advantage of this is that your players are fresher than your opponent's. This is the most important aspect of the empty lineup.

Empty lineups are not perfect. Perhaps they can improve them rather than ban them. Once or twice a game, usually occurring while one of your players is on the free throw line, the coach will screw up terribly in mid-substitution (e.g. leave your center at PG). You then have to wait for the next whistle for the coach to correct said mistake.

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Date: 1/10/2015 2:19:58 PM
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I agree that empty lineups seem to work really well because of the facts you just presented. My point is just that I'd like to be the one making the decisions about which player plays at which position and how much. And to make it fair for everybody no one should have the chance to let "autopilot" do it.
If we think BB-managers literally as managers of their team, then I guess it isn't our business to mess with the playing times (compared to real life bball). IMO that is still an interesting and fun part of the game that should be stressed a little more. And it's not like we didn't already interfere with coatches' job on other areas of the game (compared to real life again).

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Date: 1/15/2015 4:10:41 PM
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You guys forgot that this is not a thread for this discussion: we are not trying to decide whether this will be implemented or not - that decision has been made a couple of seasons ago. Please read the first post and keep on topic or I'll be forced to do some cleaning.

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Date: 1/15/2015 4:25:28 PM
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And now a formal request to all the teams that are testing the code: please set partial lineups with least 2 or 3 blank spots. Or try a combination of your own so that we can see what happens in a wider variety of cases, just don't set a full blank lineup please. Thanks and yes, I am aware that this is pretty late (with the games running tomorrow) so most users won't see this message on time. Hopefully, some will.

EDIT: Why do I request this? Because I've made one final adjustment to the code making it work even if just one starter is missing, filling the missing positions and keeping the ones that have been set.

Last edited by BB-Marin at 1/15/2015 5:40:04 PM

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Date: 1/16/2015 3:56:58 PM
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(78572834), LCD, let them play:

MacKechnie was set as PG, Sutherland as SG, they were set as starter only. The other positions and spots were blank. Both players played 36 minutes.

As MacKechnie is a Center he played as starting Center in previous matches with a full blank lineup. I'm ok with Sutherland playing SG.

Another player made me wonder even more: Penkov played as backup PF. He's listed as SF and I have some other Centers I'd rather play at PF than him. In the previous matches with full blank lineup he played as SF. His skills are: JS / JR / OD...: 8 / 7 / 7 / 5 / 6 / 2 / 5 / 8 / 10 / 2

From: talon

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Date: 1/16/2015 5:00:53 PM
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I set:
PG - Mieńko - Weitong - Weitong
SG - blank - blank - blank
SF - Zawada - blank- blank
PF - Hardin - Ivanov - Ivanov
C - blank - Sedinkin - Sedinkin
Moscoso only 3 minutes in the best shape (my best PF/C), Huk and Yitzchaki 0 min....

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