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We're not yet at the stage where we've reached a consensus of what we want to do, so we're not yet able to give specific advice about training.

Yeah. At the same time, unless I missed it, we haven't heard what your opinion is either.

If you want to argue about the elastic effect, how to train

The fact that we don't have enough elite players coming through seems to be the core of the problem, as I understand it and as others, including yourself, have pointed out before and in this very thread and elsewhere. So if you think the main problem is not training efficiently the trainees we have, please clarify your position.

I'm fine with generalities about training as it relates to NT players, current and future.

So which one is it? Is it ok to talk about it or not? Or pointing out how elastic effect works is going to deep?

However, I don't want to see people meandering off the subject to push their own agendas.

And my agenda would be? To clarify that some ways of training are more efficient than others (in a direct reply to questions asked in this thread), despite obstinate resistance on multiple fronts? That I don't think 1 or 2 managers giving advice will change anything nor improve the community nearly as much as having managers understanding better for themselves? I'm completely guilty. I'm not sure how this has nothing to do with the NT, though.

As NT coach however, I prefer not to advertise players' skills under any circumstances

I agree with this. It was more of a general point. I'm sure we don't need to get into details, but a general idea how you get there so that people have an "actual example" rather than just what someone tells them to do

Last edited by Lemonshine at 12/11/2014 7:33:23 AM

he's my player, you have no problem with what I do.
I don't see the issue in mentioning general skill totals

livid

seems a bit strong.

he's my player, you have no problem with what I do.
I don't see the issue in mentioning general skill totals

livid

seems a bit strong.

A tad irked seemed a bit wishy washy.

Bah you know Marshall is Marshall. imagine you are his opponent, is it a real help to know his skills? I don't think so.

It could have been any player. Its just not something I'd do with any NT player. They're not mine and I've always assumed their skills were not mine to share.

To everyone: I'm not going to say any more on this subject because its really not important and I've made my thoughts clear.

I'm not going to respond to your questions/statements individually. For one thing, I can't abide sarcasm and smugness. If you want to talk down to someone keep arguing with Vecx.

Also, I don't really like these long wolph-like posts that use piecemeal quotes so you can make whatever points you're trying to make.

I do want to make one thing clear to you, everyone is entitled to their opinion. You don't seem to like people disagreeing with you, and it seems to annoy you, yet you don't mind putting others down when they dare to disagree with you.

You can feel free to continue to ignore my wishes, after all, not only have I never won anything, I've never even made it out of Division 2.

If you'd like answers to questions you have, ask them without appearing so smug and I'll give them the time they deserve.

Last edited by Gully Foyle at 12/11/2014 8:28:21 AM

For what is the third time now, can we please get back to having a discussion without arguments. It shouldn't be too hard. Certainly I don't want to be arguing, its a waste of time.

If you disagree with someone, say so, even say why if you want to, offer your opinion, and I can't stress this enough, move on. Going on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and I think you see my point here, is stupid and annoying.

Its highly likely some people have been put off posting already. I know I don't really look forward to checking out this thread.

to try and summarise:

we need to manage MVP and HoF players better between ages 22 and 25. Who does this?

we need a group of owners to committed to buying any 22-27yr old MVP or better who come onto the market . Who co-ordinates this?

These players need to be trained effectively. There are several theories on how to do that best. This is actually the easiest thing to manage, so let's come back to that later.

Can we get a comprehensive list of all 22-27 year old MVP, or better, English players? Isn't there some tool for that now?

to try and summarise:

we need to manage MVP and HoF players better between ages 22 and 25. Who does this?

we need a group of owners committed to buying any 22-27yr old MVP or better who come onto the market . Who co-ordinates this?

These players need to be trained effectively. There are several theories on how to do that best. This is actually the easiest thing to manage, so let's come back to that later.

Can we get a comprehensive list of all 22-27 year old MVP, or better, English players? Isn't there some tool for that now?

Last edited by Elmacca at 12/11/2014 8:48:16 AM

I could put one of those together for everyone, I did it before and have most of the information to hand already. Individual managers may want their player names removed however if they object to sales requests, it happened to AZ last time with kaiser and I wouldn't want to upset anyone.