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Really I don't know what GS is. Maybe a genius like you can tell me, & while at it do it by bbmail so you can be less of a hypocrite.

So if I play the 6th-10th best players & they play well against weak opponents & we win that proves it was a good decision? Wrong yet again. You obviously have no clue what you are talking about.

Swoosh none of this is directed at you, you aren't being the troll here, I just want to know why he didn't play & if there is something you want me to do training wise to help the NT because I am confused from what I know of the players I have seen & their GS he would have been the best big man but wasn't even able to make the top 12 so there is something I obviously don't know.

"Troll"? Well, if you want to apply that label to yourself... well... ok then.

But perhaps work on comprehending of what was actually said before you start flying off the handle?

Maybe check what their GS actually is...

THEIR GS. As in... the players you decried as only having "respectable" GS. Not *YOUR UNDERSTANDING*.
Once more for clarity (and I'm not trying to be a smartass here - but you did completely miss what the sentence stated!): I was referring to the Game Shape of the players you incorrectly labeled as 'respectable' (note below), not your understanding of *what-GS-is*...

What you said:

It is just a question but I just would like to know why we are playing guys in respectable GS who score 15s rather than guys in proficient GS who score 19s. If there is a good reason I will be more than happy to accept it. If it is secret a bbmail explaining why would be fine.

What I responded with:

Maybe check what their GS actually is...

Their GS wasn't 'respectable'. It was (in 2 cases) 'strong', and in another I believe the same as your Wakatsuki's.
And... comparing what your player does in a league game to what another does is largely irrelevant. People do training, and often train out of position. Hell, last Saturday K-Mat got a 7.5. Does that mean he's awful? No, it means he was playing out of position for training. And it's not like Wakatsuki's getting 19s every game (note the 14s at C).
This is all stuff you know, so I'm not sure why you're bringing up league games as points of comparison.

As I said earlier (and you ignored), perhaps Swoosh simply didn't feel he needed Wakatsuki given that perhaps he thought it might be an easy win. We have a heap of good bigs, some more able to play at multiple positions than others. Some better at some positions than others.

You have a history of this - complaining about *your* players not getting what you feel is enough run... just as I have a history for expressing frustration when you do so. If you did this for other players not your own, I could believe that it was *concern* for the NT. But as is? Well... it's just annoying when you press it this hard, and make incorrect and false accusations.

Last edited by malice at 7/26/2013 5:48:42 AM

As if you are not trying to be a smartass everyone can easily tell, really I didn't know players got lower ratings when they played out of position wow thanks Malice for pointing that out.

The game shape of the players played was mostly respectable - strong maybe 1 was proficient. Sorted by DMI Eita was #2 in the team & the best big.

You guys love to say ignore things because they are not the worlds most perfect measure ever. Ignore ratings, ignore game shape, ignore stats, ignore DMI, ignore salary blah blah blah. You think there is no possible way to compare players at all & figure out who will be best in a particular week? I guess you don't even bother scouting your opponents because there is clearly nothing to learn.

I wasn't going into a detailed statistical analysis of every players average rating divided by the number of minutes multiplied x the enthusiasm, with home court added and effort subtracted. I just looked at each of their ratings in their most recent game. Obviously not good enough for you your highness.

Check your facts & maybe you can stop your incorrect & false accusations.

There was no complaint. I had a simple question. I wanted to know why he wasn't played & what I could do about it with training to help the team. The only 1 complaining was you who can never resist trolling anything Wolph or I say.

How many times did Eita pop in OD since end of my cadency? I think few trainings in this skill should help, without few extra pops he will never be sure to play in NT.

Which is so funny coming from you who used to play Satashi Hayakawa with atrocious OD as a starter.

2-3 seasons ago there was no players better than Hayakawa to play. His OD was painful, but it was matter of compromise, I had no choice. I couldn't call player, who has, for example, OD higher by 2 levels, but worse all inside skills by 3 levels. I considered all pros and cons and others were worse.
And please note, that I suppose, that Izaman rates OD of bigs higher than me. It's only my tip, You can do with this tip whatever You want - You can use this tip to increase Eita's chance to play, or You can focus Your energy to complain on forum.
Funny thing is as well, that every of all player has at least one hole. Everytime when we are talking about one of Your player, who has hole in skill A and good skill B, You are always talking about skill B and ignoring skill A. However when Your another player has hole in skill B, suddenly this skill is becoming unworthy to mention.
In past, for example, when Hayakawa had muuuuuuch better DMI, gameshape, ratings, salary, inside skills than Kouzouki, but worse OD, then You talked about OD, and GS, DMI, ratings weren't important.
The same with ratings. In last week Eita played two matches, rated as 19,5 (few minutes) and 14,0 (full match). And of course match with 14,0 isn't worth to mention...
NT coach has to consider all factors, not only one, which is favorable for You.

Last edited by B.B.King at 7/26/2013 3:25:38 PM

Wow Toranaga... you are going out of your way to find insult where there's none!
You haven't even acknowledged that you were in error on your reading of what I said about GS! And on ratings - man... I even said "you know this", but you continue to use them as an unfair basis of comparison.

Point to a single thing that I have said that's inflammatory. You're wrong on me trying to slight you on both the GS and on ratings.
Come on toranaga, I had thought you were better than this...

@Wolph - I'm not trying to be a mediator. All along, I've said "shoot Swoosh a BBmail, he'll respond". Imagine if each of us questioned the NT coach every time we felt our player wasn't getting enough run. Geez, it'd be a messy thread! It happens, and probably in all NTs. We all love our players a lil' more than the NT coach does!!! That of itself is fine...
Only thing happening here is Toranaga misinterpreting what I've said...

Last edited by malice at 7/26/2013 8:35:20 PM