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Has anyone trained a 6'5" player in guard skills with a reasonable amount of success? I tried to train a 6'6" player previously with very poor results and I don't want to blow all of my cash on a 6'5" guard prospect if it is going to turn out the same.

Feel free to PM me with replies if you'd rather not fill up this thread with them. Thanks in advance for any input.

Has anyone trained a 6'5" player in guard skills with a reasonable amount of success?

This guard (4777345) has slowly reached his present rating, but Øystein Olden (6'0") is still progressing. Not a World Champion, but still a good, hard working guard.

Please do post what you find, I'd be interested in seeing your results!

Thank You

Well, after 6 weeks my results are less than conclusive, but I am not going to train Outside Shooting for Wingers anymore.

One of the main reasons I'll say that my results are inconclusive is that two of the players I had been training were 25 years old. While there has not been much evidence to show that training slows down at this age, these players are far older than what most would consider a "normal" trainee, and therefore the numbers don't apply very well to the training results of the majority.

Additionally, I was (and still am, for the most part) training several players taller than 6'3"/190cm. On top of all this, I only have a level 4 trainer, and while I've seen no studies of trainer level on training speed, most of the information is based on level 5+ trainers.

That being said, my results from 6 weeks of training were:

SG #1:
25yo, 6'1"/185cm, allstar*
Week 3: 57min, JS↑ (17)
Week 4: 70min
Week 5: 52min
Week 6: 68min
Week 8: 68min
Week 9: 49min, JR↑ (10)

SG #2:
22yo, 6'3"/190cm, perennial allstar
Week 3: 61min, JR↑ (10)
Week 4: 50min
Week 5: 63min
Week 6: 57min
Week 8: 71min
Week 9: 52min, JR↑ (11)

SF #1:
23yo, 6'7"/201cm, MVP
Week 3: 53min
Week 4: 63min, JS↑ (11), JR↑ (4)
Week 5: 44min
Week 6: 72min
Week 8: 72min, JR↑ (5)
Week 9: 60min

SF #2:
25yo, 6'6"/198, allstar*
Week 3: 60min
Week 4: 46min, JS↑ (15)
Week 5: 52min
Week 6: 52min
Week 8: 55min, JR↑ (7)
Week 9: 24min (injured)

SF #3:
20yo, 6'8"/203cm, star
Week 3: 32min
Week 4: 26min
Week 5: 49min, JR↑ (7)
Week 6: 26min JS↑ (10)
Week 8: 18min
Week 9: 33min

SF/SG #4:
19yo, 6'2"/188cm, superstar
Week 3: 26min
Week 4: 27min
Week 5: 27min
Week 6: 24min
Week 8: 5min
Week 9: 31min

SF/SG #5:
19yo, 6'3"/190cm, starter
Week 3: 0min
Week 4: 12min
Week 5: 2min
Week 6: 0min
Week 8: 0min
Week 9: 34min

(note: Week 7 is omitted from this discussion because I trained Game Shape during that week)

I listed all seven players who got any training minutes whatsoever during the course of my 6-week test. The only reason I felt that was relevant is that no player popped in anything other than JS or JR, which leads me to question whether or not any other tertiary skills are trained. If so, they must train very, very slowly.

The only player of the above worth gleaning any sort of information from (based on this sample) is the #2 SG. Using him, it would suggest that OS for Wingmen trains JR in approximately 5 weeks. If we add the #1 SF to the mix, a taller player with very low levels of JR will see improvements much faster, as he went from inept to mediocre in 3 weeks (one week of which he failed to reach 48min in a training position).

So those are my results. I doubt they help anyone very much, but I think I can assure you all that I was much more disappointed with them than you are, since I wasted most of my season training something that didn't do much of anything to improve my team. What I actually did learn is that I won't be wasting my time training this again anytime soon.

Cheers,
DJ

I like the name juicepats! i am from mass, too bad patriots messed up yesterday, lets go celtics, hooorah, lets trade garnett for chris bosh!

Hey guys. I have a problem. I train two guards: one is perennial allstar & the other is a star. it seems that the star doesn't improve anymore since this season. his salary is 37k and he has some ups this season but in comparison with the perennial allstar, who trains very fast, the star is too bad. what do you think how much does the star slow down with the training? can't he have ups anymore? thanks for your help

I think you player is capped to his potential, so indeed he will improve very very slowly. Lets say at least 7 weeks per pop or something like that.

I would not train that player anymore, buy a new trainee and play his guy as a SF or something, while training SG/PG.

Thank you for your help. But is very hard for me to stop training him, because he is a very nice player, also in the NT of Belgium. 3 or 4 seasons ago, I didn't know that the potential would be an important point, now I am angry of myself! I would pay half a million or more to improve his potential ;)

It's a nice player indeed, but I guess indeed he would have been way more expensive if he had let's say MVP potential.

Nobody stops you from training him, he will still improve, but it will be at a very slow rate. Financially it would be better to not let him waste a training spot and sell him or let him play as a SF.

Ok, it's impossible to let him play as a SF. I'll keep training him this season, and then I'll have to find a solution. Tahnks PatjeBono for your thoughts.

Also...... like train his skills that are the least strong, because these will lead to the least increase to your salary..... like handling or passing or jump range, and also his salary was 37k.... its much more now.... This is a link to see what his salary is... http://www.how8.com/bb/index.php and then this is the salary caps based on potential....

I quote " This is the list that i have found, and most people in the thread that it was put in agreed with it.

bench warmer - 8k
role player -13k
6th man - 15-17k
starter - 21-24k
star - 33-40k
allstar - 40-65k
perennial allstar - 80-100k
superstar - 125-145k
MVP -165-195k
hall of famer - Unknown
all-time great - Unknown"
http://www.buzzerbeater.com/community/forum/read.aspx?thr...


also i bought a stupid point gaurd http://www.buzzerbeater.com/player/10622393/overview.aspx and I think it would be helpful for me to see the guys stats you are talking about, because I can analyze him and see how i want to train mine, please private me if you don't want it public.

Last edited by Shaft Master at 11/17/2009 12:09:46 PM

GM-Leye, who made that list already updated it with new info to this;

(117670.18)

Hi, this table was done when the new potentials were at the beginning, a few months ago I did one that is more consistent and realistic, but never forget that this are just estimations, and after the MVP level is just speculation, we cant know for sure how much an historic or a Leyend can develop.

0 Announcer: < 5k
1 Bench warmer: < 5k
2 Role player: < 9,5k
3 6th man: 11,5-13,5k,
4 Starter: 21-24k,
5 Star: 33-40k
6 AllStar: 43-65k
7 Perennial allstar: 80-100k
8 Superstar: 125-145k
9 MVP: 195-230k
10 Hall of famer: 500k+
11 All time great: 1M+

Regards.