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As said before that you fail each time to see it that 75% will not promote to that D2.1 that is so filled with strong teams.
D2.2 currently has 5 teams that are not bot, D2.3 has 1 and D2.4 has 1 team. So there would be some time before those leagues become a wall to.
For some teams though the move to JBBL may come a lot to early and will go up there and get beaten down again, but the overall competition of D2 will rise and with time perhaps there will be not such a great difference between D2.1 and the others.

A wall... another definition...
You keep shutting your ears.

As said multiple (too much times to count them...) times before;
The concept of filling all leagues on a certain division evenly has nothing to do with this suggestion.
It can be done w/o this useless suggestion of "starting at a lower (all-BOT) division.

Each of the Div-2 leagues has a demoted from the Div-1 league.
Hence, due to the fact that they are playing the game very long, they are the "wall" that those new users can't pass.
The only chance they have is if that player just left the game.
Then, they will go to the first division, and see what is the real size of a "wall".

It is a fact that this BB-community (not just Nippon) stopped to grow, and is just staying around the low amount of 50K.
The main reason is that wall of uncompetitiveness.

Each of the Div-2 leagues has a demoted from the Div-1 league.
Hence, due to the fact that they are playing the game very long, they are the "wall" that those new users can't pass.
The only chance they have is if that player just left the game.
Then, they will go to the first division, and see what is the real size of a "wall".

Unfortunately this is untrue. I will offer evidence.

evidence to show-
many teams promote out of II.1 into JBBL by beating a demoted team. Teams that get relegated to II.3 or II.4 get a free walk. When the .3 and .4 teams go bot or get banned the extra team to go up is usually the II.2 team, since they play more bots and have an easier schedule.

How is this an evidence that contradicts what I've wrote?
It shows the following (and all of that I've already written):
1) On each of the Div-2 leagues there will be a user from the DIV-1 league (unless retired). Meaning - an old user that any new user that will join any of those leagues will find it "the wall".

2) Putting new users evenly (so on each league on that division there will be the same amount of non-BOT teams) on each of the divisions is a seaparate suggestion.
So is the suggestion to reorder all of the teams on the different leagues on each division at the end of each season.
On the other hand, maybe it should be the other way around!!!
Maybe due to the assets that old users pilled up and due to the incompetitiveness, all of the demoted are needed to be demoted to the same league, and not the other way around.

3) Some bring suggestion not for the benefit of the game, but their own benefit.
In this case, so they will have a safety-net for their "long-term plan" of tanking.

You proposed that old teams demoted from JBBL are what is stopping II.1 teams from promoting.

Yes. Still, most of the time, the users that are demoted will be with much more assets than what the new users will have.
It may be less so, at the moment, when JBBL is such small, but for a league just a little bit bigger it will even be much more precise.

PS Please try to work on your English. In only adds to the difficulty in understanding you. certainly doesn't help your arguments when your English is broken.

And again, trying to turn this discussion not on the content but on anything but it...

Last edited by Pini פיני at 3/11/2012 6:11:09 PM

Just saw that South Korea is in an even worse situation than Japan - why is that?

50 million people, number 1 esport nation...

I guess that´s the very reason. They all e-sport, instead of text-sim.

this is the best thread ever

i am spewing i cant real all the deleted posts

wolph, manon, gmperpete & knecht must have the endurance of titans trying to just hold back the ocean with their bare hands but they cant win

every time they make a new point pini repeats his old points

every time they disprove one of his points pini just says that nothing they say can be believed cause they were here too long

his double plus untrue circular logic would make orwell proud

have we true found big brother?

reason, logic, common sense, begging it doesnt matter

because pini is never wrong about anything

@ gms - can we please get this bookmarked? this is one thread everyone should read

No sense in arguing with a Dybbuk...

I'm not going to repeat what already wrote in order of answering once again the same points.

You can continue to keep trying to attack me, but it will not change a thing about the truth of what I've wrote.

As already written, one who keep chosing to attack the other (and with not a real reason), has issues to solve, and a lack of self-confidence that he needs to handle by that behavior.
In this case, I guess that my suggestions that had been set with the purpose of making the game more competitive, and stopping the "old teams" unfariness got to a nerve - as you could no longer use that to win games, and actuaclly will be mesaured upon your skills as a BB-manager.

As written on the "Promotion and Demotion new scheme", I thanking you for your effort here that had brought that suggestion.
Keep up the good work :D :D :D