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Five percent is pretty steep for some 20 seconds of lost training. But I'm not hazarding any guesses here...

It's very likely 75%, and it's not stupid in the least.

It would be stupid because then proper training would relied on good FT skill, good rebounding or whatever engine thinks is best for the teams in the last minute. When we all know some unusual lineup happens.

and my experience tell me that you lost less training with few missed minutes, then those 26% and even if i won't say clear % i could say that it isN#t that far away with 4 missed minutes which was in the past the i don't lineup him again minutes.

1) up to 5% for a few seconds is steep.

2) 25% imho indeed is off
back in the time when I had 30+ players I tried (and managed prety well) to get them all above 40 minutes, ideally between 42 and 46 minutes. And I can't tell I fell way back behind teams that trained full minutes all the way. They had more training, but I 'spilled' less minutes. But if the effect was as steep as 255 for 1 minute, I am sure my players would not pop all that often, while at that time my pops seemed to agree prety much with the training threads at that time. What I did find out is that getting minutes like under 15 or so almost have NO effect. Training minutes most certainly has no straight line, is not linear, but I am prety sure 25% for 1 minute just can not be true. I'm also not going to put a number on it though.

3) Charles himself states (in the referred to post) that the effect for under 30 seconds isn't that big. ;þ

4) I've read your earliest estimations and post about the huge difference. Stuborn as I was I didn't want to listen. Should it have been as bad as you claim(ed) I should have been punnished for my acts and wouldn't be where I am now. I do agree that getting as much players full training as possible is probably the prefereable training to manage, BUT I also believe that if users manage to not 'spill' any minutes by getting as many as close to 48, and not playing players with 45+ minutes to get them over 48, it will also compensate the total training on the total team over time, which makes the effect of lost training less worse than it seems.
This only holds true ofcourse if you are training your entire team, and not just 2 or 4 star players !!

I find myself in the same situation (sorry for bumping this old thread). My player received exaclty 47:40 playing time, fouling out at that particular time and as he is my most cared for trainee I don't want him to experience a big drop in his training effectiveness.

If anyone would estimate the drop of training effect when missing 20 seconds that would be great.
Any views appreciated ;)


In another thread BB-Charles posted this (mentioned above). I am a little bit worried what could be considered as a 'large effect':

While the decline is indeed steep, missing up to 30 seconds is still not that large of an effect, and of course this is a fairly rare situation. In this case, I suppose the 6 fouls are a pretty good clue.

Last edited by Exos at 1/12/2010 2:58:36 PM

It isn't a massive drop. It does drop (probably by 10% but that is just a guess) but its not worth worrying about. You are much better off using your next game to train a different player for 48 minutes rather than play this player again just to get him an extra 20 seconds.

Hope that helps.

It isn't a massive drop. It does drop (probably by 10% but that is just a guess) but its not worth worrying about. You are much better off using your next game to train a different player for 48 minutes rather than play this player again just to get him an extra 20 seconds.

Hope that helps.

I'm almost positive it's more than 10% (and probably closer to 25%).

i would say less then 5%, the 25% juice prosping i diddn't get with some missing minutes.

Nice proposition, but I am too narrow-mindedly fixed on my training schedule ;)

The estimates differ sharply so I will play it safe and give him a place in the reserves. Hope he does not play too much though as he already got 80 minutes. Thanks for all your views on the subject.

Cheers, Exos

If you put him in reserve he probably won't play much if at all. Unless you mean backup, in which case he will play between 10 and 15 minutes (roughly).
But it still isn't worth it, you are better of letting another guy play as Starter, Backup and Reserve and so they get 48 minutes rather than waste minutes by putting this player back in. :)